Thread: Tibet + Lucid Dreaming

I dont know what I do for the other 2 weeks.

Ofcourse ask, if you have the opportunity to do so. And I am pretty sure You'll have some sort of response, because

Originally posted by http://www.lucidity.com/DreamYoga.html
For over 1,000 years, the Tibetan Buddhists have been practicing lucid dreaming as a means of approaching enlightenment. In this pursuit, they have developed elaborate techniques for inducing lucidity. Some of these are esoteric beyond the capacity of the uninitiated Western mind to conceive, let alone practice. However, others bear a striking resemblance to the techniques now employed by Western oneironauts, for example, frequent reflection throughout the day on the dreamlike nature of reality.

As one can see, Tibet is a place where Lucid Dreaming is greatly studied and practised, so they ought to be skillful. But, who knows, they might not reveal their deepest secrets to outsiders like in their martial arts.
Anyways, asking doesn't hurt.

Wow, Simpsin, that sounds really awesome . You'll have to report to us what happened on your trip. If you pick up some LD tips, great, but even if you don't I'll bet it will be the experience of a lifetime.

yep im very excited

Simple answer [size=24]YES!!!!

Then come back and share with us!

Originally posted by psychedelic
Ofcourse ask, if you have the opportunity to do so. And I am pretty sure You'll have some sort of response, because *

As one can see, Tibet is a place where Lucid Dreaming is greatly studied and practised, so they ought to be skillful. But, who knows, they might not reveal their deepest secrets to outsiders like in their martial arts. *
Anyways, asking doesn't hurt.

Offtopic:I heard from somewhere that the monks even communicate to eachother while sleeping(Lucid dreaming?)

and

Ontopic: Definetly, because how many more chances will you get

Well, it would likely take a very exceptional monk to know anything about anything you would be talking about. Why? Well, because most Buddhist Monasteries are little more than orphanages which take in children that are laid at their doorsteps. These children are largely suspected of being illegitimate. So, as this usage of the Monasteries developed, you had less and less of any further social involvement of the larger culture in these Monasteries. Certainly the community doesn't look to these Monasteries for any Moral or Religious guidance, as they aren't likely to believe that a collection of bastards could have much of use for them.

As for these Monks having much of an interest in Religion on their own... well, miracles are possible. But again, we have not seen much interest in things spiritual in those monasteries lately. We have only to look at the Dalai Lama and his friends -- those of the highest Religious Rank in, or from, Tibet. They know more about cigerettes, card playing, and 12 year old scotch than they do about Spirituality. Of course, the Dalai Lama has an excellent Public Relations secretary, and so a new book on Spirituality is published in his name every few years, but I largely doubt he writes them himself. Where would he find the time to drink, smoke, and gamble?

I was waiting for his 2 cents, it's never anything positive. I recon you will have the time of your life, can't wait to see the thread in a few months time with your experiences.

Originally posted by Griffon
I was waiting for his 2 cents, it's never anything positive. I recon you will have the time of your life, can't wait to see the thread in a few months time with your experiences.

Hey, you are the one who is not being positive. If you are in the far east and you are the orphaned bastard of some prostitute, then it would be good that the Buddhist Monasteries are there to receive you. If you want to know about Yoga, go to Yoga Class. You don't have to lock yourself up in a Monastery because you aren't fit for Society.

Notice how few people here want the Truth. They want pretty aesthetically appealing fantascies. Even the Moderators here insistently push texts that are undisputedly spurious, but they sound to good to resist.

Dream Views the Page of Sweet Lies.

Oh, you might also see me as Re-Affirming the West. Is that not Positive, to suppose that we do not have to forever be traveling to these far off destinations to receive nothing but exaggerated claims in a dead foreign language, when we have plenty of exaggerated claims available right here in our own Culture... but I suppose it is less exotically convincing when spoken in English. it is always easier to lie to people if they don't know exactly what it is you're saying.

Well I for one wish I was going, it would be good just to go over and experience another culture and lay back for a while. Leo Volent you put down dream views yet you visit here more than anyone I know, you have a post count of 500 + for under three months registration, one would think you do nothing else with your time.

Originally posted by Leo Volont
Dream Views the Page of Sweet Lies.

Leo, if we are that offensive to you, you always have the freedom to leave.

Leo Volont, you are in breach of one of our most crucial rules here: be respectful and tolerant of other users; others' beliefs are just as important and valid as yours--and they believe just as strongly as you--regardless of what you think. If you care to familiarize yourself with our rules, follow this link.

Originally posted by Leo Volont
Dream Views the Page of Sweet Lies

I'm sorry, but I don't recall forcing you to continue to endure such a heavy burden as sifting through our misguided posts. Please feel free to alleviate yourself from further distress.

Originally posted by Leo Volont


Dream Views the Page of Sweet Lies.

Oh, you might also see me as Re-Affirming the West. Is that not Positive, to suppose that we do not have to forever be traveling to these far off destinations to receive nothing but exaggerated claims in a dead foreign language, when we have plenty of exaggerated claims available right here in our own Culture... but I suppose it is less exotically convincing when spoken in English. it is always easier to lie to people if they don't know exactly what it is you're saying.

Are you calling us liars? I have had just about enough of your attitude today!! I may be a weirdo, but I am not going to let you put down Icedawg & Seeker, & get away w/it!!
Maybe my website: Dreamin of Gamin should be known as:
Dreamin of Gamin the Page of Sweet Lies.....Did you ever think of that?!
And I am going to warn you right now that if you make even 1 insult to my buddy, Icedawg, I will not only prohibit you from penetrating dreamin of gamin, but I will have my members hunt you down like the meanie you have turned out to be..
In short....just stop making fun of my friends!!!

Ok im going to take this break in the arguement to try and get this post back on subject,

yes I do think that you should ask around, see if they have any special techniques for inducing lucid dreams. hope you have fun with that

(how did you get this chance if you dont mind me asking)

Originally posted by SantaDreamsToo
Ok im going to take this break in the arguement to try and get this post back on subject,

yes I do think that you should ask around, see if they have any special techniques for inducing lucid dreams. hope you have fun with that

(how did you get this chance if you dont mind me asking)

Thanx alot SantaDreamsToo! (PS: if this was in my miniforum, I would divide the topic!)
Yes, I do think that you should...b/c you never know what could happen. Example: I told everyone that I was able to tell that I was dreaming & control it (I have been telling people this since was 7). If it wasn't for my big sister telling me what it really was 10 years later, I would still know nothing, dreamin of gamin probably wouldn't exist, & I wouldn't have met all of you!
They might help you understand LDing better, so give it a go!

Man that sounds really awesome, I would jump if I ever got the oppurtunity to have that kind of experience.

I'm confused about the part where illegitimate bastards are no good to society (beyond child rearing) and cannot possibly have skills or knowledge beyond drinking scotch (and playing cards)
The monestary is useless because it is inhabited largely by illegitimate bastards?
Is this meant to hint at their stupidity?

If so, do you realise that the most well known savant (someone with an amazing specific mental talent) is brain damaged beyond belief.
Kim Peek is way more knowledgeable than, I would bet, any of us will ever be.
He has no corpus collossum and his cerebellum is badly damaged.

Maybe you mean their lack of education?
Well let's just write off Winston Churchill, Einstein and HItler then. They all sucked at school. No wonder they had no impact on the world.

Perhaps you just mean that all illegitimately procreated individuals are all hopeless?
Sorry guys - unfortunately you have no use to the world beyond child rearing. You can die now (or continue drinking scotch and playing cards first)
Nobody that was an illegitimate bastard ever became anything
(With the notable exceptions of Jesus, Leonardo da Vinci and William the Conqueror. Oh wait. There's a whole list!?)

Of course - a bunch of illegitimate bastards in monestaries can't possibly have anything to offer in-between their scotch and card playing. Could they?

Simpsin - Go for it. If nothing else, you'll at least have the experience of another culture. Let us know what happens

I didn't wana create so much conflict with this thread but thanks for all ur input.

Originally posted by simpsin
I didn't wana create so much conflict with this thread but thanks for all ur input.

Not to worry, it wasn't your original post that started the conflict anyway
I so envy you going to Tibet... have fun!

heh, interesting thread you have going here. For about 12 years I lived within a quarter mile of one of the largest Buddist temples in the US. Every few years the Dalai Lama would come and we would be invited.. never did take up the invatation though, I suppose partially because I am a Catholic, and partially because I had not developed such an interest in lucid dreaming. A shame though, if I still lived there I might have asked one of the monks about the study, they would travel down the streets once in awile. A trip to Tibet may very well expand your views into LD.

I guess the best way to put it is Leo has a point, but needs to work on his people skills (he's beginning to sound like a crotchety old man ) . Its good to see that some people here sway from the masses on opinion. To tell you the truth, I quite enjoy the arguments, gives me a different perspective on things. Though I wanna throw in my insight into this whole argument.

Leo, insulting the forums itself is not a way to get people to back your oppinions. Additionally, if you want to say such things, offer reference otherwise it will be mistaken as an attack because it sounds unbased.

Griffon, he had a right. It was out of bounds to say that you expected a negative response. Simply because you don't like what he says (or preaches) isn't grounds for an immature response.

icedawg, I want to correct you. I respect that you run the forums, but I belive it was Griffon who first breached the rules. It was not until he attacked Leo's response bashing the Buddhists, that Leo shifted his stance to attacking the people's obstinancy in believing whatever they want to....

I try to take my views from all sides of an argument. I don't want this post to be taken as an attack on people, I want it to be seen as an observation and additionally it should serve to show that I'm not afraid to speak my mind, even when it goes against the very people who run this site. I apologize for having to go off-topic, but I felt things should be cleared up.

Well personally I think saying that the Dali Lama is a drunken gambling addict and that a culture with an entire branch of study devoted to dream yoga has nothing to offer someone curious enough to visit the heart of its teachings is something coming out of the mouth of someone who is ignorant. Having read some of Leo's posts, I know that's not the case.

I think I even remember Leo writing something about the collective consciousness, and seeking spiritual enlightenment through dreams. This also makes me wonder why he's bashing on a culture that has embraced those same conceps for thousands of years. Maybe he just doesn't like hearing answers from a different perspective (hence whatever was said about not wasting time with other cultures because we have our own).

I think asside from just getting to travel to Tibet and see all the cool things, it would definately be worth wile to investigate their lucid dreaming techniques. I also find that travel in general tends to increase my dreaming.

Have an awesome trip!!!

lets all beat up leo. j/k leo

Originally posted by Leo Volont

Yes, I suppose the Moderators have had moments of moral lucidity. But I have seen none of their kindness.

I am sorry that I had to put this Leo....but you know how it is..

Anyways, maybe that could be the reason he is acting out....maybe I should be a bit kinder to him. (I don't know about the rest of you, but I am going to attempt this!)

you guys are insane. i can't believe a fight just broke out. all i want is to hear about this guys trip and you all start bitching at each other over nothing. good luck on your trip, fill us in on anything they tell you.