Thread: Blessings and Curses

Collective consciousness seems like and intersting idea. How do you think it can influence our dreams? telepathy?

Originally posted by jill1978
Collective consciousness seems like and intersting idea. How do you think it can influence our dreams? telepathy?

Actually I think that the Collective Consciousness is the guiding influence over all of our dreams. That is why I have mixed feeling about using Lucidity in order to destroy Dream Content with Dream Control for the sake of Dream Control.

Most people think that Dreams are just random and scattered personal imaginations from the Subconscious and that they intrinsically don't mean a thing. Such people have no qualms about suppressing all of their ordinary Dream Content in order to play around with the Mechanisms of Dreaming.

But if you suppose a Higher Intelligence is programming your dreams for some ultimately Wise Objective, then one must hesitate before one destroys.

In practice what I do is I make a suggestion to the Higher Mind to guide me toward certain Spiritual Objectives, and then give that Higher Mind time to work out the appropriate Dream Scenario. then I use Lucidity in order to evoke the Prepared Dream. Sometimes I do not even have to become Lucid, and the suggested dream comes from just the suggestion.

But Lucidity can also be handy, in that one can remember to civilize one's Dream Self. When I become Lucid, I will carry on with the Dream Content, but I will recite Mantras, or remember certain Prayers.

People are used to the idea of how the Subconscious can affect Conscious ideas and behaviors. But Lucidity is the chance for the Conscious Self to affect the Dream Self -- to better integrate the Waking and Dream selves.

I cant say I've ever encountered any direction from a higher power in a dream, but I would be open to one. My dream world seemed to be plaged with dreams having something to do with stress, anxiety, or hormone fluctuations.
I think the higher power is egnoring me.

If we are meant to see something in our dreams then why is it that it is hard for many people to remember what actually happened in them, if we were supposed to remember them why not make it very easy for all( although I usually recall 2+ dreams a night alot of people cant even remember 1 from a whole week)

Originally posted by jill1978
I cant say I've ever encountered any direction from a higher power in a dream, but I would be open to one. My dream world seemed to be plaged with dreams having something to do with stress, anxiety, or hormone fluctuations.
I think the higher power is egnoring me.

Okay, well, an extremely common Metaphor that the Higher Mind uses to represent the Spiritual Journey is an Ascent up a Mountain. So you might make to yourself the Suggestion that you would like to engage in a Dream Motif in which you may be permitted to scale the Spiritual Mountain. This will force your Higher Mind to address whatever obstructions have been preventing you from Scaling this Mountain, or it will be welcomed as a much awaited request to which it will be eager to comply. In the Spiritual World one must ask before one receives.

That reminds me of the Lady of Grace Apparition of the Blessed Virgin (to Catherine 'Zoe' Labore, Rue de Bac, Paris, 1830) in which Our Lady appeared with 3 rings on each finger which emanated Rays of Grace down to Earth. Nearly all of the Rings were ablaze with Spiritual Light, but some were dim. So Zoe asked Our Lady what the meaning of the unlit Rings indicated. Our Lady replied that there are Certain Graces which people do not think to ask for.

Originally posted by Awhislyle
If we are meant to see something in our dreams then why is it that it is hard for many people to remember what actually happened in them, if we were supposed to remember them why not make it very easy for all( although I usually recall 2+ dreams a night alot of people cant even remember 1 from a whole week)

Well, I suppose Humanity is still in the Process of Evolving from the basest of animals to the Highest of Spiritual Beings. Each of us is caught somewhere in the middle.

I must say that my dreams really do represent the obstacles I face in life. I suffer from depression and anxiety by genetics, and I cant even escape it in my dreams. I call it my cross. What can I do, just live sometimes it seems a feight enough.

I dont fully agree with the collective conciousness and higher mind theory. My dreams, well, the ones I can remember, are always centered around something that has happened to me lately. For example, I was thinking about the fourth of July and Fireworks one day, and later that night I had a dream about helping someone who had been burned by a freak firework accident.

Of course this could be explained by a higher being sending me a message in the form of a metaphor. If the collective conciousness theory is true, which I'm not saying its false, then the higher being must have a lot of things to say to me. But then again, anything can be explained at the expense of a celestial being. In my case, I think its more accurate to say that dreams are just scenarios being played out in my head to prepare me for future occurences. I believe I am now quite prepared for a firework mishap.

Leo, I've noticed that you seem to reference several religions, and you seem to be a very spiritual person. Do you take peices of knowledge from all religions and blend them. Have you studied religion?

Originally posted by Cryptic Cane
I dont fully agree with the collective conciousness and higher mind theory. My dreams, well, the ones I can remember, are always centered around something that has happened to me lately. For example, I was thinking about the fourth of July and Fireworks one day, and later that night I had a dream about helping someone who had been burned by a freak firework accident.

Of course this could be explained by a higher being sending me a message in the form of a metaphor. If the collective conciousness theory is true, which I'm not saying its false, then the higher being must have a lot of things to say to me. But then again, *anything can be explained at the expense of a celestial being. *In my case, I think its more accurate to say that dreams are just scenarios being played out in my head to prepare me for future occurences. I believe I am now quite prepared for a firework mishap.

But do you have any spiritual aspirations? One cannot expect the Higher Mind to force itself upon one. You are correct in discerning that there is some connection between Dreams and your Real Life. And to have Spiritual Dreams, we must bring something Spiritual into our Lives. We must have some Spiritual Practice.

Yes, dreams can be quite ordinary. Even when we take up the Spiritual Path, there will still be enough ordinary dreams, since life continues to be predominated by the ordinary.

I have been thinking about some of our people here who are somewhat new to Spirituality as an element in their dreams. If one should take up some true and sincere spiritual intent, then I cannot help but to think that some dream of Spiritual Initiation would not be almost inevitable.

Indeed, don't most Religions have Initiation Ceremonies. These Real Ceremonies are reflections of the actual Subjective Initiations that we must experience in our Dreams. Looking back, I can discern more than a few Initiation Dreams, but perhaps there can be more than one, or a new Initiation for each discreet level attained.

Originally posted by jill1978
Leo, I've noticed that you seem to reference several religions, and you seem to be a very spiritual person. Do you take peices of knowledge from all religions and blend them. Have you studied religion?

A Historian studies everything, but yes I have studied Religions in particular. At present Catholicism is a Battleground between the contingents of the Antichrist (Paul) and True Religionists of the Blessed Virgin Mary, who appears in Apparitions, and sends down Grace upon Her Saints. There is much Truth in the Marian Institutions of the Catholic Church -- the Religious Orders and certain Marian Doctrines. But much of the Spiritual Practices have been confined to the virtual prisons of the Monasteries and Convents. It was the Truce that the Paulist Bishops made with the True Religionists -- that the Marians could practice True Religion as long as they took it off behind Walls that would separate them from the Laity who would be left to the influences of the Bishops.

But the Yoga Traditions from the Indian Subcontinent are not nearly so secret, and one can practice these Spiritual Techniques without submitting to voluntary imprisonment to please some antichristical Bishop. Sufis, who trace themselves back to Zoroastrianism, the First and perhaps greatest Moral Religion, also have their spiritual practices, but they are similar enough to the various Yoga Techniques, that it would not be worth quibbling over. What we can get from the Zoroastrians, is the sense that Morality must never be divorced from Spirituality. Buddhism, in its mahayana forms, is both moral and spiritual. But the problem with Buddhism is that it can be almost entirely cerebral. But then you have Tantric Buddhism which does for Buddhism what Kundalini Yoga does for the Hindu/Indian Yogin. But the problem with Tantric Yoga and Tantric Buddhism was that it was coopted by a bunch of sexual perverts at some point along the line, and now it is used as an excuse to be endlessly playing with oneself. if one has any self-respect, then Kundalini Yoga is preferred to anything with the word "tantra' associated to it. Indeed, I used to stress that I was an adherent to the Vedantic Traditions so that nobody would mistake me for a Tantric, though it may have been over squeamish of me, since it would be difficult to explain Kundalini Yoga without shifting over to Tantric models and dynamics.

Some of the older Philosophical Religions are a bit dated. Taoism, Hinayana Buddhism, and a lot of Zen are not much more advanced than Stoicism -- the idea that Peace of Mind is the ultimate goal. And that Stoicism is largely amoral. Even the Bhagavad Gita is largely just a Stoic Argument -- dismissing moral concerns with the reassurance that Evil is a dirty job but somebody has to do it. But there are hints of Zoroastrian Morality in it and so it somewhat redeems itself.

Then there was the Modern Innovation to the Higher Religions -- Emotional Devotion. It seemed to occur after the first Millenium. The Krishna Devotion became popular in the South of India in reaction against the dry Vedanta of the Brahmin Ruling Class Priests. It had its Saints. Almost simultaneously in Europe we began to see a Devotion to the Infant Jesus. The Infant Krishna in India, and the Infant Christ in Europe. Then there are the parallels between the Goddess Worship of the Indus Traditons and those of the Catholic Church. yes, the Bishops insist it is not 'Worship', but that is in conformance to the surrender treaties and arrangements made to the protestant powers, but one should never take one's doctrines from duress. Besides, what is the difference between 'Worship' and what they prefer to call 'Veneration' anyway -- does one bow any less deeply for Veneration as for Worship. It is a legal distinction only, and therefore the greatest proof of how silly the bishops are.

Speaking of duress... that is the problem I have with Islam. Mohamed started by going to War with the Ruling Classes of Mecca for their idolatry with the Big Black Rock and their other superstitious practices. But then Mohamed loses his War and goes to the Peace Table and signs away the complete future of Islam by making it a Religious Duty to visit Mecca and pay homage to the Big Black Rock and engage in all the Superstitious Activities that he had gone to War to condemn. Now, I am coward enough myself to understand how a man could work hard to avoid martyrdom, and so I would not enjoy criticizing Mohamed for what he did. But he did get a very many people killed in fighting his War, and one wonders why he would not die himself before he would completely surrender what where his Religious Principals. and then I am flabberghasted that apparently nobody in the Islamic World sees it the way I do. Much of the problem is in the way the Koran was compiled -- from the Largest Entries to the smallest, when the Poems of Mohamed should have been arranged in chronological order as they were written. Then it would have been clear that he went from Religious Principal to surrender and doctrines of duress. Even in the Koran, Mohammed had mentioned that one need not abide by Religious Oaths made under duress. I wonder when some Islamic Authority will ever take that passage to heart and finally throw it in the face of those Fat Saudis who still expect Muslims from all over the world to grovel before their Big Black Rock and pay the Meccan Tourist Bureau their Tribute, just as when they did when Mohammed lost his War.

Originally posted by Leo Volont


But do you have any spiritual aspirations? *One cannot expect the Higher Mind to force itself upon one. *You are correct in discerning that there is some connection between Dreams and your Real Life. *And to have Spiritual Dreams, we must bring something Spiritual into our Lives. *We must have some Spiritual Practice.

That could be true. But from the other end of the table, one might say that you have spiritual themed dreams only because you incorporate and include spiritual ideas in your everyday life, and it would only be natural to dream of such things, and that no higher being was involved. I guess it all depends on what you believe in, and what you perceive spiritual dreams to be.