Subliminal Messaging

[Placebo]

I don't know how original this really idea is, but here goes... Remember the days when they flashed pictures of eg. Pepsi on the movie screens, and this caused viewers to buy pepsi after the movie? Remember how it was made illegal because, basically, it worked too well? Well, why not use this same technique for voluntary subliminal programming? What would this involve? Well for the office job folk, most of us sit in front of our computers most of the day. Why not have subliminal images flashing up on the screen - so fast that it doesnt annoy us, but gets through to our minds somewhere deep inside? Eg. 'I will become lucid tonight' Since I'm a software developer, and I'm fluent with game development and graphics - it makes sense that I could create a program like this, that can run in the background of your computer in order to generate these messages Obviously it's completely voluntary what you want the messages to contain, or if you even WANT the messages to appear This is completely theoretical at this point - I'm not sure if its possible to flash these images fast enough on the computer screen, but I don't see why not. Any thoughts? comments? Anyone want to volunteer for testing? [EDIT (to the mods)] I apologise for placing this in the wrong section of the forum. Dunno how I managed to do this accidentally. Could you please move it? Thanks

[Evanescent]

Sure i will vounteer. I would like to be a lab rat.

[Danger Dog]

sounds like a good idea, i wannna try also

[Placebo]

Good Good... Thanks all I started developing it - and its kinda working already. Personally though, it doesn't seem 'fast' enough I can still consciously see the image, even though in theory its only one or two frames of your screen retrace. I also experimented with only flashing the message when the active window changes. That helps a lot to start with. But I first want to see if I can improve the speed without losing the message :/ Also, I heard on another topic, that there is already a program out there to do this. If it works well enough, perhaps we can try that one... still waiting for a reply on that I'll let you all know when I perfect or find a proggie to do this, and we can experiment a bit

[Remus]

I'd test!

[aaron_gx]

Hey! we're all on board to test your new software. Put up a link when you're ready for beta testing!!! :-)

[Placebo]

Thanks remus + aaron I investigated the other software you can download Of the three I looked at, one was just crap, second had issues of bad timing of the screen refresh and third was a trial version So it looks like I'll still be developing my own one I'm still investigating whether I can improve the flip speed of the message. However, I noticed that my program so far is no worse than the downloaded ones I looked at .. good and bad I guess. I intended this to be near invisible to the 'conscious' eye, but its proving difficult I'll probably have something ready to test with tomorrow

[Evanescent]

Ready and waiting.

[djaio]

Subliminal Messaging is BS. It's an urban myth. James Vicary(the creator of the coke-in-the-movie-theater trick) even admitted it was a fabricated study - but the hoax still fathered an entire industry based on subliminal advertising. They didn't ban subliminal messages because they "worked too well." They didn't work at all. The FCC banned them in 1974 basically because they were paranoid. There have been numerous - hundreds - of studies proving the failure of subliminal messages. James Vicary claimed to have increased the sales of coke in the movie theater by 18%, and the sales of popcorn by 58%, yet no one has ever reproduced those results. And another thing: applying S.M. to lucid dreaming is a bad idea in the first place. Why? The idea of lucid dreaming is to let you conscious mind override your subconscious mind. S.M. would affect your subconscious, and only your subconscious. There really wouldn't be much point.

[Alric]

Its nice how it never being proven to do anything doesn't stop anyone from selling tons of products that uses it.

[Lord of the Flies]

Hey, Placebo, why don't you just post the programme so we can all download it? I'd love to be a lab rat for your project and I'm sure many others who haven't read this thread would be as well.

[Evanescent]

U stole that from me I want tsaid i was a lab rat first. Evanescent-Lab Rat 1 Lord Of The Flies-Lab Rat 2

[CT]

Originally posted by Evanescent U stole that from me I want tsaid i was a lab rat first. Evanescent-Lab Rat 1 Lord Of The Flies-Lab Rat 2 your mother must be proud of your eeh. 1st saying something.

[Evanescent]

What are you talking about CT? I am a little confused.

[Placebo]

Exactly how are we going to 'prove' it works anyway? Problem I have with this: 1) 1.3 ms of a frame on your computer screen is still a bit too visible for my liking 2) Even if this produces 'good results'... we have the question of placebo effect and the fact that we already attempt LD's anyway 3) The scepticism is noted, and does endanger my desire to put lots of effort into this *IF* it really is BS. I'll probably carry on anyway - at least until proven otherwise. I wanted to have the program ready for today, but unfortunately my research and testing into the 'fastest frame' I can get on a computer monitor took me longer than expected. So you'll have something simply by this time tomorrow

[eighthnote]

I don't know weather subliminal messages work or not, but you can try the placebo out on me too if you want. Just don't call it placebo....call it super happy dream time fun or something.

[Evanescent]

Why would he do that. Do you even know what ur talking about.

[CT]

Do you know what a placebo is, Evanescent?

[Evanescent]

Yes I do! The placebo effect is the measurable, observable, or felt improvement in health not attributable to treatment. This effect is believed by many people to be due to the placebo itself in some mysterious way. A placebo is a medication or treatment believed by the administrator of the treatment to be inert or innocuous. Placebos may be sugar pills or starch pills. Even “fake” surgery and “fake” psychotherapy are considered placebos. That is why I believe all those herbs and vitamins are fake. Kinda like a placebo.

[Human]

Originally posted by Evanescent The placebo effect is the measurable, observable, or felt improvement in health not attributable to treatment. This effect is believed by many people to be due to the placebo itself in some mysterious way. A placebo is a medication or treatment believed by the administrator of the treatment to be inert or innocuous. Placebos may be sugar pills or starch pills. Even “fake” surgery and “fake” psychotherapy are considered placebos. That's very true. If a man for instance eat spice and believe he will fall asleep faster from it, that may help. Placebo effects are different from person to person, though.

[Evanescent]

yes I think u r right Human. You know CT you are not the smartest here.

[Human]

If anyone doesn't think placebo effects is possible, you could always ask a doctor. I think placebo effects is something well known for doctors.

[Evanescent]

I believe that slight paranoid people can be afraid of being sick so much that they make up symptoms without knowing what they did. And a doctor prescribes a placebo and the symptoms go away because they patient has no clue.

[OpheliaBlue]

Hehe, it's like in that movie "The Birdcage", where Robin Williams gives the hypochondriac Nathan Lane "PIRIN" tablets to cure his many malladies. The kicker is that the "PIRIN" tablets are nothing more than "ASPIRIN" with the "AS-" scratched off. Kills me. Wow, placebos and the powers of the mind.

[Aqueous]

Originally posted by djaio Subliminal Messaging is BS. It's an urban myth. James Vicary(the creator of the coke-in-the-movie-theater trick) even admitted it was a fabricated study - but the hoax still fathered an entire industry based on subliminal advertising. They didn't ban subliminal messages because they \"worked too well.\" They didn't work at all. The FCC banned them in 1974 basically because they were paranoid. There have been numerous - hundreds - of studies proving the failure of subliminal messages. James Vicary claimed to have increased the sales of coke in the movie theater by 18%, and the sales of popcorn by 58%, yet no one has ever reproduced those results. And another thing: applying S.M. to lucid dreaming is a bad idea in the first place. Why? The idea of lucid dreaming is to let you conscious mind override your subconscious mind. S.M. would affect your subconscious, and only your subconscious. There really wouldn't be much point. You're wrong. -Have you ever started to hum a song, and it turns out to be the same song as the person next to you hums? -Have you ever watched a program like Mind Controller? There is a trick he does for the viewers: he flips through a pack of cards, and the viewers are supposed to think of a number and a suit. It worked with me, so he must've used SM! -There have been tests which proves that SM is not an "urban myth".