Thread: Using Ld's to overcome fears?

Originally posted by Sir Calvert
Hi, was just wondering if anyone have tried to overcome any fears using Ld's that you have in real life whatever it might be?
I am not a regular Ld'er, so I haven't been able to try yet, but sure will when I learn to.
I just think that there are many people out there that could improve their real life quality using lucid dreaming.

I do that frequently, & I remain fearless that way in real time!
Though there is one fear I haven't been able to conquer after all of the LDs I have had, so I will just have to seek help!

Hmm, which fear is that? Fear of fear itself or somesuch? =)

Originally posted by Replicon
Hmm, which fear is that? Fear of fear itself or somesuch? =)

I am thanatophobic.

Care to explain?

Originally posted by Mirath
Care to explain?

Maybe you should look it up in the dictionary! Or look it up on Yahoo!

thanatophobia or thantophobia:
Fear of death or dying.



Also I know for sure that it will help against one of my fears :i am scared of the unknown you know...Space...OBE's stuff like that

Originally posted by pytis
thanatophobia or thantophobia:
Fear of death or dying.



Also I know for sure that it will help against one of my fears :i am scared of the unknown you know...Space...OBE's stuff like that

I don't know about that. I have had LDs all my life, & had fake ________ alot b4 I started having real ones (difference being I can read a book in the real one!)...
That has a lot to do w/death as well, so that is why I cower at the sight of them!

Yeah to meet and overcome ones own fear is the only way to grow.
For batman it was bats. Now bats arnt that scary... but there are other things. Like Oneself.

Hey, I have thought about this also. If lucid dreams feel as real as life itself couldnt you train yourself to handle situations good? Like if you were in the military and you had to learn to keep your cool but you hadnt been on a battlefield before. What if you went through the scenes over and over in your head and at first it would be scary. But after doing it hundreds of times you would become a freakin hero ont he battlefield... think it worx?

Originally posted by nesgirl119


Maybe you should look it up in the dictionary! Or look it up on Yahoo!

On Yahoo? You can't be serious.

Originally posted by Mirath

On Yahoo? You can't be serious.

That's where I looked it up!

Originally posted by coreysnyder
Hey, I have thought about this also. If lucid dreams feel as real as life itself couldnt you train yourself to handle situations good? Like if you were in the military and you had to learn to keep your cool but you hadnt been on a battlefield before. What if you went through the scenes over and over in your head and at first it would be scary. But after doing it hundreds of times you would become a freakin hero ont he battlefield... think it worx?

Yes this is one of the benefits of LD. Rehearsal for waking life.

Now for the scenario where you want to become a hero on the battleground. I dont know if i would run around playing hero just because i can dodge bullets in a LD . Maybe in a game i would, but waking life war would still be a scary thing. However i guess one would act cooler in heated situations maybe.

So I would be able to face my fear of paralyzation? How? I believe I would rather be dead than be limbless or paralyzed.

Also, I am new to this whole idea of LD, and it is quite attractive, but wouldn't it be easier or better for one to overcome fears in real life? Waking up and saying "Man, that was just a dream" might be far different from the real case scenario. In fact, it might be totally different, because how will you know how the sucessfulness of the breaking the fear is if you have no idea what it it feels like in reality. I'll use something sort of similar to my arguement as an example:

Lets say you really like a person. You know you want to be with the said one, but you don't know how to accomplish your desires. So in your head you conjure up scenarios; most of them become very cheesy and movie-ish. Yet you think eventually everything will work out like you think it will because it seems like it could happen. However, when you feel like you have built enough convidence up to ask the person, you try to make everything play out like you thought. This ends up horrible, because you forget that the other person has a totally different mind with different intentions, desires, and thoughts. In reality, the truth becomes evident, unlike events in the brain that aren't induced by fact; inane and euphoric, covering up any sense of reality. That is unless the person is so down-to-earth that their abilities to create vivid images of events and their mechanics are so in tune that they are able to be truthful in all areas.

That said, it might be helpful to try and overcome fears within lucid dreams. However, it seems quite perpostrious that one could believe thats how overcoming that feeling would feel like, simply because it was enacted in a realm where phsyics, logic, intellect and style are conformed to one point of view alone.

Your fears are in your subconscious and in a lucid dream you are not only dealing with a dream but you’re real subconscious with your real self-awareness. That is why it can and does carry over into your waking life. It is the same subconscious and same self-awareness.

Originally posted by sulretal

Lets say you really like a person. You know you want to be with the said one, but you don't know how to accomplish your desires. So in your head you conjure up scenarios; most of them become very cheesy and movie-ish. Yet you think eventually everything will work out like you think it will because it seems like it could happen. However, when you feel like you have built enough convidence up to ask the person, you try to make everything play out like you thought. This ends up horrible, because you forget that the other person has a totally different mind with different intentions, desires, *and thoughts. In reality, the truth becomes evident, unlike events in the brain that aren't induced by fact; inane and euphoric, covering up any sense of reality. That is unless the person is so down-to-earth that their abilities to create vivid images of events and their mechanics are so in tune that they are able to be truthful in all areas.

Yes! Good example. You cant predict the future and stage a situation in waking life, by merly practicing it over and over in a LD. You can however train essencial traits of your personality that will help you meet situations in waking life.

Lets say your deadly afraid of spiders. Youve been afraid of spiders your whole life and just by seeing one you start feeling dizzy and nausios. In a lucid dream you can stage the scenario and decide to confront a spider. You may think that this sounds "fake" and is nothing compared to meeting a real spider... a spider which will probably act entirly differnt than your imaginary spider.
But trust me, you fear will stage the rest of the scenario. And that inner spider will act just like what you project on any spider youve ever met in waking life. Unless you take controll of the situation and overcome that fear by realzing that its just an imaginary spider just like in waking life. And this is what its all about. You may not know what will happen if you meet a real spider, but now your atleast free to act entirly differnt than if you had all those assumptions and fears invading your entire being upon meeting one. Your in the moment again.

ya i read an article about that how some lady who was afriad to skate backwards did it in a lucid dream and then she chould do it in real life.

Yeah I would think that overcoming fears in relation to the real world can be accomplished by Lucid Dreaming and acting on that fear. I've heard it really works
with overcoming all types of fears especially those of heights.

Goodie.
*jumps off a cliff*
*splatters on sharp rocks on bottom*
That didn't help.

Probably the most important Universal Motif that every evolving Dreamer confronts is that series of Dreams designed to eradicate Fear. These are the dreams in which one is trying to escape from some Symbol of Fear and Death. These Recurrent Dreams are resolved by facing the Enemy. One either wins the battle or dies only to find that Life quickly returns. In either case, Fear is overcome.

Also, learning how to Fly in dreams is an exercise in overcoming fear. One lady of my acquaintance is afraid of deep water in real life, and this terror comes to her in dreams. If the dreams become recurrent (and another Lady of This Page once came to me in a dream and indicated that we may request of our Dreams that they come back to give us second chances with the same scenarios) then she may have a chance to overcome her fears.

Its more about the Rehersal, than the actual outcome, when it comes to practicing life experience in lucid dreaming.

Its a simulation that you can use to get your responses more in-gear for waking life execution. In the case of physical training, a boxer who constantly practices attacking and dodging while asleep, could have twice the reaction time and readiness as someone who practices in the waking world, and tracing over your steps in your mind is a guaranteed way to promote sure-footedness in the waking ring.

As far as speaking to someone you like, just being in proximity of them in a dream, with the intent to practice what you'd say, is setting your mind to adapt to that sort of atmosphere. You would practice saying whatever you want, maybe even pushing to hear a few rejections from her. But the point would be, that after going through the scenario a number of times, you would be more likely to wear it as comfort when you're actually speaking to the person. So that way their response, good or bad, wouldn't be As Much of a surprise.