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      It has been some time since I briefly shared my considerations over the ability to create and save environments and worlds in lucid dreams, at this thread: http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...hitecture.html

      Since then, I have explored much of the potential within this ability, and have found limits both personal and seemingly Universal.
      I have also considered most of the angles as to how this is possible.
      There is no doubt the memory harbors quantum folding; external, some, to the biophysical vessel. There is no doubt also that this folding will eventually run out of space, just like a circuit board has an edge at which data ceases. However, I have my suspicions that these environments and worlds are not the product of free-firing neurons and complex memory function, nor am I convinced dreams themselves are entirely grounded within Reality or ourselves.
      I acknowledge The Universe is one, and has not an inside or outside, but perhaps Reality is small, and is only a finite disk floating through the cosmos... Perhaps there are other disks, adjacent, and even connected, that certain life forms may access; if composed of the correct biophysical and electromagnetic elements, energies, and frequencies.

      However, let me not get sidetracked in the many theories as to how. Let us explore why...
      There are many obstacles and restrictions here in Reality. Whether you perceive that as mostly physical or otherwise, one thing seems stunningly obvious to me: Our freedom is obsolete here.
      As most dreamers know, the abilities to defy 'laws' of 'nature', are often the initial incentives to dream. However, moving beyond that, we see there is a whole lot more than changing your gender, appearance, life form, or flying and stopping time, etc. You begin to realize it is not doing these things that you dream for. It is the freedom to do these things, that in actuality; you dream for.

      Humankind has explored cybernetic living to curious extents, quantum folding within technology is incredibly easy, and while appearing small; is vast within. The only difference between Cyberspace and Dreamspace - apart from the obvious existing techniques - is that one seems easier and more plausible (sooner) than the other. That is to say, technology has come a long way. And is always thirty years ahead than that it is today. And while dreaming will always have advantages over cybernetic space, the two environments are highly similar, despite existing so differently (as mentioned).
      I mention cyberspace, however, as a method of better understanding dreamspace. We access cyberspace through physical components, but the result is highly intangible! Just like dreaming, we access them through physical functions (the brain is advanced, not overly so, but enough to harness great power) but the result -- the actual dream, not tangible at all! We know where cyberspace is, technically, but we have NO idea where dreams are, beyond how they start.
      There is no space possible within the brain capable of sustaining the vast realms out there, that even I have visited and built upon. The memory has limits, certain things are forgotten or malfunction inevitably. But this has never happened with I... So is it possible we harbor a gateway to a free disk? : A Reality without laws?

      These are the questions I have sought to resolve, but in time, ceased, and accepted that there may be no answers instead. All I know today is that these realms are where I want to be, and where I shall continue to be.

      The question is, where shall you dwell?

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      It seems to me that dream structure resilience would have significant implications for human understanding. Why is it that any physical object continues to exist as-was after going to sleep and waking up again? why don't we wake up and experience a different physical energy pattern every morning? My guess is that by nature things stay as they are, until acted upon by some force. So then it would seem that every dream object must either continue to exist, or disappear by some form of removal or destructive weathering. It is possible that dream material isn't destroyed but rather stored in a medium similar to the way that physical matter is stored in the matrix of spacetime. Then where can my dreams be found?

      Suppose you dream up an apple - the apple is made up of energy.
      What was the energy arrangement before it became an apple? Was its material created from absolute nothing, or was something recycled or used to produce the apple? Was energy input needed to produce the apple? How does thinking of the apple in different ways affect its characteristics? Where is the apple after you stop thinking of it? Is it gone completely, is its matter so disorganized it effectively doesn't exist, or is it still somewhere, waiting? If you know "where" the apple is in your memory, you can see it again - notice its characteristics. However, the apple is conceptual, and so it is fundamentally comprised of thought energy. This means that if the memory of the apple is changed or damaged, the apple's appearance will immediately be adjusted to the new memory's image when found again. So 2 weeks from now, you find the apple you previously formed, however, it is slightly different in appearance. The change in the appearance of the apple indicates either a change in your memory of the apple, or that the apple was weathered by dream forces. In other words, was its thought code altered by a memory displacement involving the apple, or did some
      subconcious dream force affect it in an unknown way?

      I think that there is a poorly understood connection between the memory of something and it's dreamspace location relative to the observer in physical space. Perhaps memories of conceptualized realities are highly complex algorithms for their locations and fundamental attributes. If it were possible to share the exact memory of a dream place with another person, would they be able to consciously meet you there in dreamtime?

      All this assumes that dreamspace has fundamental laws, which may or may not depend on the dreamer.

      perhaps this, maybe that...
      what do you think?

      I really like your post because it got me thinking about the nature of dreamspace and/or alternate/empty/malleable dimensions. I'm extremely curious about your techniques for revisiting old dream creations. Could you post a tutorial? I think it would be popular. Sorry if none of this makes any sense... it's late.

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      Reality is a grounded realm, naturally implementing many laws which prevent the fabric of energies to change pattern according to user perception. Things remain the same here for it is an unbalanced realm, deprived of many fluid advancements that other realms may have in exceptional quantity. One of which, is Dreamspace.
      Why Reality is such a grounded realm is still open for debate. It may have something to do with The Shade Theory (which is the theory this realm suffers an instability, sort of like a 40% 60% thing in positive and negative energy flow, which would also explain how entropy operates here). It all rests in the energy type. We all know no matter what creature or entity you are in this Universe, energy has different forms and the patterns therein can slow or speed depending upon the form. Reality implements a unique type of spacetime, time is slightly bent, it seems (see The Arrow of Time theory), and in turn this affects the space here very strangely. The form of space is macroscopic, composed of elements from afar regions of realms (this means whilst the space still has an almost void core, many things have clung to the shell, and developed over time or quick collection). The two together create a slow pattern. The space is complex (but not necessarily advanced), and the time is curved (therefore creates a slight entropic effect on the space). If it were not for the time being as it is, Reality would be a largely static pattern, not changing unless it was changed by an outside or inside force (depending on one's location).
      I will save you attempted explanations as to why time is distorted here, but it is not far fetched to hypothesize this realm has been damaged by something. And whilst I do not like to say damage, as that implies wrong, I must make it known that I personally think it is damaged, and wrong, because this slow entropy dictates the very nature of anything within that realm, stealing away your choice to change or remain the same -- which I believe to be a violation of freedom, and a negative one at that, for everything goes downward rather than upward, the entropic effect decays things more than it does ripen them. And I find that unbalanced...

      This said, for only the very beginning part of your post, you can see I could provide much elaboration, but I shan't get ahead in one particular area, let me regard where you say: "It is possible that dream material isn't destroyed but rather stored in a medium similar to the way that physical matter is stored in the matrix of spacetime. Then where can my dreams be found?"
      It is entirely possible, as I theorized, though I did not do so in great detail, particularly. I threw the disk concept out there, but only to show that realms are finite places, and do not cover the whole of the Universe (which would be impossible anyway considering infinity). A better example would be to line three fat disks up (kind of like pies), exactly the same size, and then bring them all together, so they resemble one disk -- merge them all, if you will. They cooperate together, existing with each other. But they cannot be accessed globally. Instead they are accessed individually, just like one cannot see the infrared spectrum until they switch on the appropriate technology, which could be viewed as a portal, if you grasp that concept.
      This could also answer where your dreams can be found: on an invisible dimension of Reality, it can be technically perceived as separate to Reality, hence named Dreamspace, but it is really just a different form of spacetime that runs alongside Reality's form.
      As I understand, Dreamspace possesses entirely void space, capable of being subjected to a void if the dreamer/s wish it so. And the time there -- that flows all directions, no entropy is present, things remain the same until changed. A special form, indeed, and the patterns it is capable of creating are equally incredible.

      Now, about the apple thing... I found a mistake (in my mind) of perception fairly early, I shall suggest a different perception of energy for you, but do not regard it as objective fact, this is my perception.
      Now, generally, humans regard energy as a finite source or base frequency to The Universe. They believe energy can be lost and created, when in my beliefs, energy merely fluctuates. The fabric of energy remains completely static, think of it as trillions of dots, all spaced out but close together, -- now throw a square through them, the square itself does not move, but rather the dots are manipulated temporarily to take the form of a square 'moving', like a large ripple, inflicted by an external source (the entity that threw said square). On a larger scale, you can see even rippling water does not move, outward, but rather upward : each particle of aqua playing its part in reaction to infliction. So when one creates an apple, it is better to think of one manipulating what is already there to take the image of an apple. No energy is drawn from somewhere else, and no input was required, it merely became something else. Once the apple is there, it never disappears, just as a flock of seagulls do not 'disappear' when they go behind a mountain. Many of your questions in this sector can be answered with relativity. But if you had a particular question you desired answering here, don't hesitate to request.
      Needless to say in Dreamspace, memory seems irrelevant, if you find your way back to the apple, it shall be the same, as the form of space and time in Dreamspace do not allow entropy, and your memory only plays a minor role in dreaming.

      "I think that there is a poorly understood connection between the memory of something and it's dreamspace location relative to the observer in physical space. Perhaps memories of conceptualized realities are highly complex algorithms for their locations and fundamental attributes."
      I have to say, this surpasses my comprehension, whether it is my poor knowledge of the English language, or your poor selection of words, I just cannot grasp this proposition. I may revisit this when I am better rested... As for the latter part:
      "If it were possible to share the exact memory of a dream place with another person, would they be able to consciously meet you there in dreamtime?"
      I believe so. Despite memory playing minor roles, it can often be the key back to many locations in Dreamspace. Since Dreamspace is infinite, you are going to needs some keys, these keys are stored in memory partially, I believe. However, sharing exact memories is sadly impossible. Memories are like binary, you would need a method of transferring memories from one brain to another. Technology I doubt exists presently.

      Lastly, my techniques are somewhat complex. I feel I would be posting something longer than this just for the basics as to how I dream and how I return to places. But if you actually read all of this and still desire to know, I shall attempt to. Hopefully quite concisely...
      Thanks for sharing your thoughts, anyway.

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      apologies for taking a month to respond.

      The way I see it:

      Entropy is a form of dissipating energy flow similar to the energy scattered as heat during resistance/friction. The energy order of the system may determine how long lasting the system will continue to exist as is. The entropic decaying effect may be necessary for intensely dense and complex organizations of matter (and/or energy) like us to form and exist. Possibly the entropy is only one aspect of an oscillation between order and chaos. I think that the entropic effect is probably a stabilizing mechanism to maintain a balance of existence – a universal 'shuffling of the cards' so that new things may form. Basically, when I see entropy, I see the element of fire.

      I see our existence as a composition of a very limited band of frequencies similar to that of visible EM radiation. I believe that alternate frequencies may be experienced through practices of mind state alteration such as meditation, fasting, or other biochemical (energetic) influences. Is it irrelevant then to suppose that dreamspace is somewhere away from physical space? As the two can quite possibly be perfectly overlapping regions with fundamentally different characteristics which maintain their separation. My questions are for the development of a more solid understanding of the relationship between dream and awake. It's been described that in the hypnagogic state there is a moment where the dream body may separate from the physical as in astral projection. I wish I knew more about this..

      anyway, I would be overjoyed to read your tutorials if you will post them!

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      Posted some things here. http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...-lobbying.html
      I find your thoughts interesting. I think we could converse for hours, personally. I also believe I could tell you a bit about Astral Projection, but I think that would be going off topic a little. Feel free to PM.

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