Thread: WHY!!!! did i dream about this?

Originally posted by fajam00m00
Kudos to jay dawg IMO. I believe purely in the sciences and in no religion in any manner. I believe that if anything, religion is hindering the world's development. All of these morals and beliefs that must be followed just because some people wrote them in a book are stopping many things from technological advancements to learning in schools (with all this intelligent design BS). The worst thing of all, is that there is NO evidence behind these beliefs. None. And on the contrary, many many scientific theories and laws have explained many of the mysteries that religion tries to answer with much more logical solutions. I am not trying to get flamed here; I am trying to point out that all of this superstition has no reason behind it and that I seriously doubt that \"god\" would send dream dogs to screw someone in their exterior to try to tell them something. See, we humans have this organ called a brain. And this brain can achieve very odd things, as it is very complex. And it's not that hard to figure that that might have been just a bizarre dream caused by said brain. If anybody here can prove me wrong, I would be glad to hear it. Trust me, I'd much rather know for sure that death won't be the end of me than know it is final. So if anyone can show me proof of god's existance and the existance of heaven and hell, I'd be glad to evaluate it and gain conclusions.

exactly. for the human race to achieve immortality, we must put aside superstition and allow the research of stem cells and cloning. im not saying there is no god, or that there is one, but that all forms of organized religions are assbackwards and wrong and in all ways, against nature. nature is what is real, and experiencing our natural programming is tangible. if there is a god, i know he didnt make us to act a certain way, then send us to hell for being what he designed us to be. it just doesnt make sense. but if it is real, then hes sick. and i am sadly warped. but no one can truly know anything. when i discovered god to be man made, it was a sad day.

Originally posted by jay dawg



so yeah, expanding your mind is the only way to move towards, and begin to comprehend, truth in this life. everybody else is living a lie.


Leo, why are you so offended

Oh, what rubbish! You need to remember that we have talked. and you are the most conservative person I know. Everything you believe is the oldest and most ingrained dogma. I couldn't convince you otherwise. If you disagree at all with your parents, it must have been because THEY were the ones with something new on their minds.

But not that you could tell. I would repeat argument after argument and you could never seem to even understand the point. You never could show me that you even understood what on earth I was saying. You talk about 'comprehending', but I have not known you to ever be able to understand anything of compound complexity -- you might be able to understand 2 X 2, but I honestly doubt you would know 2X2X15 -- your mind in incapable of carrying logic more than one step. I had to give up writing you, because what was the use. It was like teaching philosophy at monkey island. The students would never be able to 'catch on'.

Originally posted by fajam00m00
So if anyone can show me proof of god's existance and the existance of heaven and hell, I'd be glad to evaluate it and gain conclusions.

Our Dreams show us a continuum between Hell and Heaven. On the one side we have Dreamers like Aquanina who pass the Test of the Sphinx and are allowed to pass through to the Gates of heaven. Then on the otherhand, we have Jay Dawg in Hell being raped by bull mastifs. Your only argument would be that Dreams are not real, not even Subjectively, which ought to make you very popular in a Dream Page.

Originally posted by paris
LEO IS GOD

he is my hero, i look up to him
hes witty *
smart
and i imagine sexy

Well, twenty years ago I had a certain swagger in my step, but now i am lucky to still be able to make a waitress laugh... until they find that I am a good tipper.

Originally posted by Leo Volont


Oh, what rubbish! *You need to remember that we have talked. *and you are the most conservative person I know. *Everything you believe is the oldest and most ingrained dogma. *I couldn't convince you otherwise. *If you disagree at all with your parents, it must have been because THEY were the ones with something new on their minds. *

But not that you could tell. *I would repeat argument after argument and you could never seem to even understand the point. *You never could show me that you even understood what on earth I was saying. *You talk about 'comprehending', but I have not known you to ever be able to understand anything of compound complexity -- you might be able to understand 2 X 2, but I honestly doubt you would know 2X2X15 -- your mind in incapable of carrying logic more than one step. *I had to give up writing you, because what was the use. *It was like teaching philosophy at monkey island. *The students would never be able to 'catch on'.

i have no clue what you are refering to leo. incase you didnt realize it yet, i am aethiest. my knowledge of existance is at a much higher state than you can perceive.



also, if you knew how amazingly beautiful and exciting my typical dreams are, you might think twice before you spout nonsense about my dreams.

Originally posted by Leo Volont


Our Dreams show us a continuum between Hell and Heaven. On the one side we have Dreamers like Aquanina who pass the Test of the Sphinx and are allowed to pass through to the Gates of heaven. Then on the otherhand, we have Jay Dawg in Hell being raped by bull mastifs. Your only argument would be that Dreams are not real, not even Subjectively, which ought to make you very popular in a Dream Page.

How is that my only argument.....You are saying that this "continuum between Hell and Heaven" in our dreams is definitely existent so if I do not believe in heaven and hell, then I do not believe in dreams? That is not my argument. My argument is that Heaven and Hell do not exist and that dreams are just our physical brain creating situations during sleep. Also, that is not evidence of the existence of god, heaven, hell, etc. That is you saying that dreams show us this continuum with nothing to back it up. How am I supposed to believe that?

The only thing I truly believe in (atleast at the moment) is science, mathematics, and the prospect of immortality. By this I mean, I believe it is possible to live eternally. Whether it be through certain chemicals, machinery, or DNA manipulation. I also believe this is not too far off. In my opinion, our whole conciousness is comprised of neuron connections, electric signals, and chemical balances within our brains. Therefore, it would not matter whether it was organically or synthetically produced. So theoretically, if a computer system advanced enough could be made, our whole conciousness could be "transferred" to this system and remain intact forever. This probably sounds horrific to you, but I would much rather remain thinking and enjoying life than to face oblivion.

Finally, let me provide a couple of extremely logical things that religion goes against:
1)The Big Bang Theory: At this very moment, our galaxy is in motion; as well as all other galaxies. For some apparently odd reason they are all moving away from eachother. Now let's use our brains here. If they are all moving away from eachother, then they started together and spread out. Therefore, one would have to reach the conclusion that all matter started in the same spot and moved out. Also to be considered, is the speed at which the galaxies are moving. The Milky Way Galaxy is moving at a speed between 2,160,000 km/h and 3,600,000 km/h right now. This therefore means that the pressure which send them on their way at the beginning of the universe was huge, meaning that concentration and therefore pressure would have almost been a neccesity. And because all concentrated matter in empty space takes on spherical form, one would have to assume it all started with a small, tightly packed ball.
2)Evolution: Evolution is a very logical process and I do not understand how any one could not believe in it. In order to explain this, I have to get some things straight. One: We all agree upon the fact that traits are passed from one generation to the next right? I mean, we look like our parents, do we not? Therefore, we would have to conclude that this trait-passing happens with all creatures on the planet Earth. Now lets give an example. Say that there are two birds (of the same species) and a flower (which is their main food source). And lets say the flower is very deep and it takes a long beak to reach the nutrition-giving nectar. If one bird has a small beak and the other has a much larger one, it will be harder for the small beaked bird to get its food. Also, the long beaked bird will easily get its food and deprive food from the smaller. In short, long bird produces long offspring, short produces short. Eventually, short die out because of food deprivation. Evolution. If you think this was too specific an example, try looking at any creature. You can find evidence of evolution everywhere.
I suppose this post is huge by now so I'll save the rest of my thoughts for a later rant.

good points. its hard to ponder what started the big bang. some say god did, but then what started god? its mind blowingly complex. i dont think we will ever know this stuff, or be able to comprehend the possibilities, as human beings.

Back in the sixties I lived for drugs. My hair was long and my memory short. One day I was busted. They decided to ship me in the back of an ambulance to a mental hospital to see what was wrong with me. And in the back riding with me was a cop. I was basically under arrest. Anyway I looked at the cop and said” you know, there should only be two kinds of people in the world” he said “what are they” I said pigs like you on one side and people like Jimmy Hendrix on the other side eating pork. My point is we think our little world is so complete and we are the best judges of what’s around us. That was a long time ago. Then after going to a rehab I learned about the man named Jesus. For all you scientific guys, here is one to think about. Fact is Jesus the man did exist. As well as any one else who is documented in history. The debate is, was he crazy or who he said he was. Give him a chance and see. Do you love your brother, sister or mother. If you said yes. Prove it. Then I’ll believe you.

i dont doubt he lived, but i dont know if hes god. no one really can know. the only people who say they do know are people who claim they have seen him. yeah i say let the LSD out of your system before i will believe that one. it takes a long time to expell it all.

what was documented about jesus should be a model for everyone to live by. but not sure what else.

Originally posted by jay dawg
i only said that about leo because he first said it to me. remember do unto others? i am a practitioner of that lifestyle. I have spent my whole life trying to reach god, he is the one who is not real. i have already spent a lot of time in \"his word\", and my asking of him to reveal himself to me is not me doing nothing. it is a great deal of something. if he doesnt want to acknowledge me then im through with him.

Im not about to give anyone my reasoning for why i know religions to be manmade. it is personal and you wouldnt comprehend it fully under your presently low consciousness. you would hear what i think and laugh at it, not understanding what it truly means.

well, i for one am not a practitioner of that lifestyle, i do not always follow instincts of revenge. Ghandi had a saying that went something like "if the world were to follow through with 'an eye for an eye', then everyone would be blind". You have clearly blinded yourself in this manner, mentally speaking. And the fact that you "ask" him to reveal himself to you gives him the logical rite to answer 'yes' or 'no' to that. And also, dont say i would laugh at your explanation. I hold a very open and yet reasoning mind, and do not appreciate you saying i have a lower consciousness as if it were to be an insult.

People now take a look at others that disbelieve God and say "gee he must be smart". So you ask the believers 'where's your proof that He exists?' And i ask the non-believers 'give me your proof that he doesnt'. Now, I know your open to the idea that He may or may not exist, but give me your reasons, and i'll give you mine in a very scientific view if you wish.

There is plently logic behind the existence of God through science. Those that say there is not, are trully blind as well, for they are the ones that have not even bothered to search for it. A hypocrite in every manner...

not that i want to write more danged essays about my beliefs, but i wouldnt mind having some PMs with you if you so desire.

Originally posted by jay dawg

what was documented about jesus should be a model for everyone to live by. but not sure what else.

He said if you don't believe in me then believe in the works that I do.

Of course Jesus existed and he actually did preach. But to the best of my knowledge Jesus never said he was the son of god or even divine in any way. That was a creation of the apostles.

EDIT: BTW, I posted another huge beautiful post in this thread and now I see my internet was down at the time. It was very good and I worked on it for 20 minutes...

Originally posted by fajam00m00
Of course Jesus existed and he actually did preach. But to the best of my knowledge Jesus never said he was the son of god or even divine in any way. That was a creation of the apostles.

EDIT: BTW, I posted another huge beautiful post in this thread and now I see my internet was down at the time. * *It was very good and I worked on it for 20 minutes...

Read the red-letter addition of the bible. He said” I am the truth, the way and the life. No one goes to the father except by me" He will except a dogged humped being who believes in him before a straight laced holeyer then now person who thinks his stuff doesn’t stink.
jay dawg wrote:
i say let the LSD out of your system before i will believe that one. it takes a long time to expell it all.
I’ve been off of LSD for over 35 years. So I know it takes a long time to totally ride yourself of dope.

i was making mension of my father who claims jesus met him and told him every word in the bible is true. but he ODed on LSD beforehand and he was on drugs in a hospital for a surgery. hes not smart enough to realize how powerful the mind is. but maybe hes right, i highly doubt it. he refuses to accept the idea that it was all in his head. but whatever

jesus never said he was god. he did agree with people who said he was the son of god. and it is true that we all are sons of god. so who knows. but i mean its not impossible for god to become a man if he wanted to. 8) he most likely was god, but he cant blame us for not believing in some old jew texts can he?



dreamtamer, have you had LSD flashbacks or trips years after you quit? i read if you sweat it will make u trip as it expells. i doubt doubt being on morphine would surely make it worse....?


BTW when moses wrote down things that god said or did.... ummm. how the hell did he know? he didnt, he made it up. hense, moses made up god. atleast the god we all think we know....