Thread: Lucid Dreaming is exploring new worlds - proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdDjexbxVzM

My Theory:

According to this, when we are dreaming, we are just floating awareness. So we can go to any place in the multi-verse, and all of our ideas actually exist. Thereare infinite universes, and we actually travel there as we supposedly recognise those place, so we are dragged there.

Cool. This website needs more posts like this. I think because dreaming is also definitely a thing which goes on inside our brain, it's more of an exploration of different mind levels. Because in a dream your brain is constantly creating scenarios which is direct from your subconscious mind, which usually we are unconnected with in our daily lives. So yes in way when we are dreaming I suppose you are literally dragged into your subconscious worlds.

Personally, I am well aware of that. I know to what places we go when we dream and why our thoughts materialize on the spot, BUT you really shouldn't talk about this on a site about lucid dreaming. Science fanboys often attack people for beliefs like this. I doubt there is much evidence for what you say (that video is cool but not exactly evidence) so stating it publicly like this on a forum that bases its ideas on science is not a good plan imo..

Originally Posted by mimihigurashi

Personally, I am well aware of that. I know to what places we go when we dream and why our thoughts materialize on the spot, BUT you really shouldn't talk about this on a site about lucid dreaming. Science fanboys often attack people for beliefs like this. I doubt there is much evidence for what you say (that video is cool but not exactly evidence) so stating it publicly like this on a forum that bases its ideas on science is not a good plan imo..

Wait, so on this forum we're not allowed to philosophise about the possibilities because there's no scientific evidence? Scientific evidence comes from questioning, and that's what we're doing. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Originally Posted by mimihigurashi

Personally, I am well aware of that. I know to what places we go when we dream and why our thoughts materialize on the spot, BUT you really shouldn't talk about this on a site about lucid dreaming. Science fanboys often attack people for beliefs like this. I doubt there is much evidence for what you say (that video is cool but not exactly evidence) so stating it publicly like this on a forum that bases its ideas on science is not a good plan imo..

You know, in my opinion there are two types of "scientific-minded" people:

1. those who are curious about the world and believe that unfamiliar stuff might turn out to be true
2. those who obstinately stick to the science known today, and refuse to accept anything beyond that

The latter are wannabes, the kind of people who believe they come off as scneitific-minded just because they refuse to believe in anything whatsoever that is now accepted science.
But actually, that's the complete opposite of being scientific-minded.
If we always refuted everything we discovered and did not understand then we would still think electricity was witchcraft.
It's good to be critical and not jump to conclusions too quickly, but don't overdo it.

Originally Posted by Agaruff

Wait, so on this forum we're not allowed to philosophise about the possibilities because there's no scientific evidence? Scientific evidence comes from questioning, and that's what we're doing. And there's nothing wrong with that.

I'm not saying we're not allowed, it's just that some people get really up in arms when others start discussing about more esoteric matters related to lucid dreaming..

Originally Posted by Laurelindo

You know, in my opinion there are two types of "scientific-minded" people:

1. those who are curious about the world and believe that unfamiliar stuff might turn out to be true
2. those who obstinately stick to the science known today, and refuse to accept anything beyond that

The latter are wannabes, the kind of people who believe they come off as scneitific-minded just because they refuse to believe in anything whatsoever that is now accepted science.
But actually, that's the complete opposite of being scientific-minded.
If we always refuted everything we discovered and did not understand then we would still think electricity was witchcraft.
It's good to be critical and not jump to conclusions too quickly, but don't overdo it.

Yes, by "science fanboys" I was referring to number 2. And I totally agree with you. Science is amazing but it shouldn't immediately close our minds completely to anything that cannot yet be scientifically proven.

I remember when Robert Waggoner mentioned a scenario where he tried to convince a sleepy-looking friend in a lucid dream that they were dreaming, and before he woke up he put his index and middle finger on her forehead and told her that she could use that greeting sign to communicate with him in a later dream.
Then a couple months later she did exactly that in waking life, and couldn't explain why.
I find that story extremely intriguing.

If there really is such a thing as complex as the multiverse, I agree that there is a strong possibility that dreaming is like entering a portal for the mind or soul. I believe that to be so because a multiverse would be spacious enough for any and all possible realities to exist, and even allows for the chance of some realities to exist in more places than one. If you were to break down our basic human functions, you would find that what we call reality really only exists within the spectrum of our physical senses. Even our thoughts are just imprints of different kinds of stimulation. Therefore I would assume that our main purpose is to observe what is around us, and to expand our range of view to the furthest distances. If this is true, it would make perfect sense that we would evolve some sort of mechanism to set aside our physical limitations and explore our reality without boundaries. The only thing that concerns me is, why is there a sense of duality between waking life and our dreams, and if dreaming is such a cosmic/groundbreaking tool, why is it so difficult to remember even a single night of dreaming?

It sounds really interesting. Billions upon billions of multiverses, and we visit them every night? Cool!

And I agree with the above: it's good to explore and come up with new theories, and to question things. After all, we don't know everything, do we? There's so much to learn! So I agree that there should be more threads like this. ^^

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Originally Posted by imda1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdDjexbxVzM

My Theory:

According to this, when we are dreaming, we are just floating awareness. So we can go to any place in the multi-verse, and all of our ideas actually exist. Thereare infinite universes, and we actually travel there as we supposedly recognise those place, so we are dragged there.

This is a great video - I guess, if I put it up as such - people are more prone to actually watch it:



It is purely science as it is accepted by even the "science-fanboys" of *category one. There is no doubt whatsoever in the community, that finally we have direct proof, that the early universe went through a phase of inflationary expansion, and that this is, why the sky looks the same in all directions.
I made thread on it: http://www.dreamviews.com/science-ma...nal-waves.html
Which explains the topic of this video a bit more in depth.

Then he mentions the concept of the multiverse - also no problem even for the type 1 guys and gals - this is a scientific hypothesis, long held by many physicists, even if they yet lack direct evidence for it. So it doesn't even present proof for the multiverse - still pending. Same as it used to be with Inflation, which had to wait 30 years for this final underfooting.

You take something completely unrelated to dreaming, and claim that it would be proof of us entering other worlds in dreams. He doesn't even mention anything pertaining to "mind" at the side.
It's what is called "non-sequitur" - it does not follow from what you give as source.

At least you mentioned in your OP, that it would be "your theory" - but going by the title, and esp. if people don't watch the video - you produce a false impression.

This is not something, which contradicts, what narrow-minded people believe to be science, it contradicts plain logic.

Why not go about it like this:

Hey - they proved Inflation and that fits with the concept of a multiverse!
So maybe we could enter different parallel universes in our dreams!?

I wouldn't have bothered to chime in with more than:
Yupp - they proved Inflation - great video - look, I made a thread on exactly this, if you are interested: ...
In general - well - if you wanted to convince others to believe in your theory - you needed actually salient data, which pertain to it directly.





@Mimihigurashi - why should somebody, who honestly believes to have proof shy away from debate?

The best case would be to convince others - an almost equally good case would be to act like any decent scientist, go gather more/valid evidence and/or modify one's hypothesis - up to throw it out the window and start over from scratch.
Peer review - for us here debate - is important to avoid personal bias (among other things) - something natural in all of us.

The OP appears to want to be scientific a la category two - shouldn't the scientific method as outlined above be the method and standard of choice?



*after Laurelindo

I have got very interesting replies.
Interestingly, I am a hybrid of the two 'categories' you have created. I do believe that supernatural stuff can exist ( hey, I'm still a teen after all), but I know that only science grounds us to reality and stops us from becoming mindless cultists. What I feel is that we should try to fit theories to facts, not facts to theories, like Sherlock says. That is why there are so many disputes in the scientific community, of people trying to fit all the facts into theories ( the Galileo incident ).

StephL, I am not a person who posted this for fame, or likes. I posted this for informing everyone about my idea of how lucid dreaming could be. And I posted it that way coz I didn't have time to make it pretty for people who aren't really interested in HOW we lucid dream. People like Laurellindo and Asteralmango are the psople who actually cared to check it out.

Originally Posted by StephL

Then he mentions the concept of the multiverse - also no problem even for the type 1 guys and gals - this is a scientific hypothesis, long held by many physicists, even if they yet lack direct evidence for it. So it doesn't even present proof for the multiverse - still pending. Same as it used to be with Inflation, which had to wait 30 years for this final underfooting.

You take something completely unrelated to dreaming, and claim that it would be proof of us entering other worlds in dreams. He doesn't even mention anything pertaining to "mind" at the side.
It's what is called "non-sequitur" - it does not follow from what you give as source.

So, you want proof? Well, I don't have any, unfortunanely. That's why it's my theory, not a law.