Thread: Vitamin B6

Go to your local health-food store. They can tell you how to keep our Bs in balance and most question you have.

Glad you asked this, I was wondering about this as well. I talked to my friend about it the other day and he said it improves recall, but if you take to much of it you loose the feeling in your hands and feet or something.
Don't know if he was just messing with me or not

Originally posted by Oaks
Glad you asked this, I was wondering about this as well. I talked to my friend about it the other day and he said it improves recall, but if you take to much of it you loose the feeling in your hands and feet or something.
Don't know if he was just messing with me or not

Not true! I take apx 410.5 mg of B6 a day, & it seems to be excellent for LDing, but it doesn't effect my health at all.
BTW, you probably didn't know this, but this little guy has B6 in him ->

True on both counts. B6 is supposed to help improve dream recall. I've had so-so results myself, other people say it really helps.

But it is true that if you take too much, nerve damage can result. From everything I've seen, 100-200 mg / day should be safe, but I am no expert -- please do some research before exceeding any recommended dosage of anything.

Can i get it at any local pharmacy?

Originally posted by TygrHawk
True on both counts. B6 is supposed to help improve dream recall. I've had so-so results myself, other people say it really helps.

But it is true that if you take too much, nerve damage can result. From everything I've seen, 100-200 mg / day should be safe, but I am no expert -- please do some research before exceeding any recommended dosage of anything.

But I have taken that much since I was 3......maybe that could explain why I tolerate pain so well?

It could explain a lot of things.

Hello:

Here is an excerpt from my Tutorial \"Physiology of Sleep\".

Vitamin B6: Vitamin B6 is a group of substances pyridoxine, pyridoxal, and pryidoxamine) that are widely distributed in animal and plant tissues. These substances are involved in the metabolism of amino acids (the building blocks of protein) and in the breakdown of glycogen (a stored sugar). Vitamin B6 is found in liver, pork, chicken, fish, and whole grains. A deficiency can result in functional disturbances of the nervous system.

Pyridoxine is essential in the conversion of amino acids to carbohydrates or fats for storage or energy, the synthesis of new amino acids from carbohydrates, and the conversion of the amino acid tryptophan to niacin. Vitamin B6 provides a role in the development of most protein-related compounds including hormones, neurotransmitters such as serotonin, hemoglobin in red blood cells, and many enzymes.

Originally posted by www.anyvitamins.com
The dosage underneath is the Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA), but be aware that this dosage is the minimum that you require per day, to ward off serious deficiency of this particular nutrient. In the therapeutic use of this nutrient, the dosage is usually increased considerably, but the toxicity level must be kept in mind. *

Males 2 mg per day and females 2 mg per day.

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For those who feel depressed, or any symptons of depression (lack of self-confidence, loss of will to do anything, loss of desire to wake up, consistently sleeping, etc. etc.) I recommend taking Vitamin B6 or trying to incorporate more food that involve this vitamin before seeking professional help.

Pyridoxine content of Selected Foods, in Milligrams per 3 1/2-oz. (100-gm.) Serving (Murray, 1996)

(In descending order)
Yeast, torula - 3.00
Yeast, brewer's - 2.50
Sunflower seeds - 1.25
Wheat germ, toasted - 1.15
Soybeans, dry - .63
Walnuts - .73
Soy bean flour - .63
Lentils, dry - .60
Lima beans, dry - .58
Buckwheat flour - .58
Blackeye peas, dry - .56
Navy beans, dry - .56
Brown rice - .55
Hazelnuts - .54
Garbonzos, dry - .54
Pinto beans, dry - .54
Bananas - .51
Avocados - .42
Whole-wheat flour - .34
Chestnuts, fresh - .33
Kale - .30
Rye Flour - .30
Spinach - .28
Turnip greens - .26
Peppers, sweet - .26
Potatoes - .25
Prunes - .24
Raisins - .24
Brussels sprouts - .23
Barley - .22
Sweet potatoes - .22
Cauliflower - .21

- Murray, M. Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements. Rocklin, CA: Prima Publishing, 1996.

You should be able to find Vitamin B6 in almost any grocery store for less than $10.

There are no found side-effects from too much ingestion of Vitamin B6.

Vitamin B6 does not increase pain tolerance.

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Originally posted by O'nus
Hello:

Here is an excerpt from my Tutorial \\\"Physiology of Sleep\\\".

Vitamin B6: *Vitamin B6 is a group of substances pyridoxine, pyridoxal, and pryidoxamine) that are widely distributed in animal and plant tissues. *These substances are involved in the metabolism of amino acids (the building blocks of protein) and in the breakdown of glycogen (a stored sugar). *Vitamin B6 is found in liver, pork, chicken, fish, and whole grains. *A deficiency can result in functional disturbances of the nervous system.

Pyridoxine is essential in the conversion of amino acids to carbohydrates or fats for storage or energy, the synthesis of new amino acids from carbohydrates, and the conversion of the amino acid tryptophan to niacin. Vitamin B6 provides a role in the development of most protein-related compounds including hormones, neurotransmitters such as serotonin, hemoglobin in red blood cells, and many enzymes.

Originally posted by www.anyvitamins.com
The dosage underneath is the Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA), but be aware that this dosage is the minimum that you require per day, to ward off serious deficiency of this particular nutrient. In the therapeutic use of this nutrient, the dosage is usually increased considerably, but the toxicity level must be kept in mind. *

Males 2 mg per day and females 2 mg per day.

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For those who feel depressed, or any symptons of depression (lack of self-confidence, loss of will to do anything, loss of desire to wake up, consistently sleeping, etc. etc.) I recommend taking Vitamin B6 or trying to incorporate more food that involve this vitamin before seeking professional help.

Pyridoxine content of Selected Foods, in Milligrams per 3 1/2-oz. (100-gm.) Serving (Murray, 1996)

(In descending order)
Yeast, torula - 3.00
Yeast, brewer's - 2.50
Sunflower seeds - 1.25
Wheat germ, toasted - 1.15
Soybeans, dry - .63
Walnuts - .73
Soy bean flour - .63
Lentils, dry - .60
Lima beans, dry - .58
Buckwheat flour - .58
Blackeye peas, dry - .56
Navy beans, dry - .56
Brown rice - .55
Hazelnuts - .54
Garbonzos, dry - .54
Pinto beans, dry - .54
Bananas - .51
Avocados - .42
Whole-wheat flour - .34
Chestnuts, fresh - .33
Kale - .30
Rye Flour - .30
Spinach - .28
Turnip greens - .26
Peppers, sweet - .26
Potatoes - .25
Prunes - .24
Raisins - .24
Brussels sprouts - .23
Barley - .22
Sweet potatoes - .22
Cauliflower - .21

- Murray, M. Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements. Rocklin, CA: Prima Publishing, 1996.

You should be able to find Vitamin B6 in almost any grocery store for less than $10.

There are no found side-effects from too much ingestion of Vitamin B6.

Vitamin B6 does not increase pain tolerance.

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I have always had pain tolerance anyways!
You failed to mention Peanut Butter! It has B6 in it, too!

that's pretty interesting. thanks for the explanation O'nus!

Originally posted by O'nus+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(O'nus)</div>

There are no found side-effects from too much ingestion of Vitamin B6.[/b]

I would stay on the safe side and believe the majority of information on the subject. Not that O'nus is wrong but there is a lot of talk about nerve damage.

<!--QuoteBegin-http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitaminb6.asp
What is the health risk of too much vitamin B6?

Too much vitamin B6 can result in nerve damage to the arms and legs. This neuropathy is usually related to high intake of vitamin B6 from supplements, [28] and is reversible when supplementation is stopped. According to the Institute of Medicine, \"Several reports show sensory neuropathy at doses lower than 500 mg per day\" [12]. As previously mentioned, the Food and Nutrition Board of the Institute of Medicine has established an upper tolerable intake level (UL) for vitamin B6 of 100 mg per day for all adults [12]. \"As intake increases above the UL, the risk of adverse effects increases [12].\"

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitaminb6.asp

I hope you understand that this is actually a misuse of vitamin b6. Also lucid dreaming is not the hardest thing to learn, I recommend that you practice technique instead of staying with american tradition and taking the easy way out.

I have trouble getting to sleep if I take more than 200mg of it.

It sounds to me like you would be fine if you just used common sense. If the vitamins come in, let's say, 50mg tablets, just take two and call it a night. You don't chug a gallon of milk everyday and expect to have bones as strong as steel. The human body just doesn't work that way.

Wonder if anyone has documented the effects (i e 50mg did this, 100mg did this, etc) You can buy b6 at walmart btw.

I once took 450 mg of B6. It was an interesting experience. I went to sleep just after taking the pills, and woke up maybe 45 minutes later feeling extremely awake and overstimulated. I started panicking, but managed to calm myself.

When I went back to sleep, I had the scariest lucid dream I've ever had. I woke up in my bed, with my heat beating in my ears, except then I began to realize that it wasn't real! My legs started dissolving and I started freaking out and managed to wake myself. I wonder what would've happened if I had let the dream progress.

You're not supposed to take over 100-200 mg of B6 on a daily basis, but I can testify that 450 mg at once has had no effect on my nerve functioning. I'd suspect that you can go much higher than this provided it's not a routine, but be careful, and make sure you know what you're getting into.

I got vitamine b6 the other day and i took 200mg before bed and i had like 5 dreams that i remembered in the mourning, however none of the dreams were very vivid but that could also be becuase i havent had much practice with recall, iuts my first week even knowing about it.

Very intersting. I may go pick up a smallish dosage of it.
My one a day multi vitamins have 3mg, which is 150% of your daily value. How much is 100mg?

There have only been two recorded cases of pyridoxine toxicity in history.

FDA Report on Vitamin B6

Originally posted by Above FDA Link
The brain and the heart all benefit with proper amounts of B-6 present.

Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine)

Originally posted by Above Link
Serious Side Effects

When taken for several months, high doses of vitamin B6 (2 to 6 grams daily) may cause reversible nerve damage; symptoms include numbness, tingling, or prickling in the feet, loss of manual dexterity, and unsteady gait.

FDA \"...Vitamin B6 and B12 reduce the risk of vascular disease.\"

In conclusion, you probably have to be obsessed with Vitamin b6 and take it religiously to have any sort of conclusive damage. Considering the extreme conditions which cause any sort of damage, you'll probably be just fine.

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i took 200 mg last night... my first time ever taking the vitamin.

it worked... however my dreams werent very vivid i only rememebred fragmants of about 3 different dreams, when recently when i wasent taking the vitamin i remembered nothing at all...

another quetion...

In the store i almost bought the wrong vitimin "b12"

does anyone know what the difference between b12 and b6 are?

I have b6 vitamins but there not the kind that go directly into your blood stream.. does anyone now when i should take them

and hour before bed? half hour?

cuz my melatonin is timed release (that goes right into your bloodstream, and works almost instantly)

B12 and B6 are completely different substances, taken in completely different dosages for completely different purposes, but both of which are necessary (in low levels, usually provided by the diet) for normal functioning of the body. Of all the B-complex vitamins, only B6 has been shown to provide any substantial effect upon dreaming (or any other mental function in non-deficient users).

Exactly what do you mean by "directly into your blood stream"? Plasma levels of pyridoxal-5-phosphate, the activated form of B6, peak approximately 2 hours following oral ingestion, if that helps you any (probably want to be asleep by then). I find that when taking large doses of B6 it's helpful to go to bed as soon as possible, as it appears to keep me awake if I don't.