Thread: Lucid Dreaming as a healing process?

Originally posted by Neoneironaut
The main reason why I'm interested in LD at the moment is because of it's \"healing\" potential. Healing here refers to the physical as well as the psychological.

On the psychological aspect, I found Laberge's point of view very interesting when he talks about the potential of integrating the Shadow, those parts of ourselves that we have repressed over the years. Since everything that unintentionally comes up in a LD is an expression of our unconscious, I find it fascinating to suggest using LD as a mean of self-discovery. I find very wise Laberge's advice when he says that when being confronted with a seemingly \"threatening\" entity, to start a dialogue with it, asking them what they want, etc, instead of summoning a whole arsenal of weapons to destroy the bastard.

Seems like we can live our LD's as a video game or as self-discovery. Is there anyone here on the latter path who can share how LD changed his waking life for the better?

I also wonder at the potential of using LD to heal our physical body. Laberge gave some examples of this, stating that it ultimately was more powerful than mere visualization, that the impact on the body of having a healing session in a LD is greater than doing a visualization in waking life. This kind of makes sense since the experience is richer in the LD, thereby having more repercussions on the body.

Anyone had any experiences related to either one of those healing processes?

John

Maybe this should be in Beyond Dreaming?
Anyways, I know nothing about it, but if I do get sick, my favorite thing to do in a LD is kill the blobs that seem to be ruining the landscape. LDing always has & always will leave me refreshed, whether healthy or not, b/c it is really cool! Sometimes, I do the same thing w/VGs in real time(kill the bad people), & that can also leave me refreshed.

Neoneironaut, I was able to heal myself once:

http://dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?...ealing&start=15

Hmm, I doubt this is Beyond Dreaming...

The reason I'm training lucidity is because I see it to be the gate to the subconscious. I won't go into my specific goal and why I need to open this "gate" but what Neoneironaut stated in his post is definitely of interest to me (speaking to the representations of fears and what not) though I haven't had an LD as of yet.

Dear Neoneironaut

So, it seems that your philosophy of life is to be decent and civilized toward your dream monsters, but with people to come out with virulent biting and spitting attacks.

But then again, I should take pity, as you are coming out to fairly admit that you are psychologically ill.

But, yes, I have seen the Spiritual Potential of Lucid Dreaming for years. But, then, was that not why you attacked me just last week, because I wasn't as thorough goingly materialistic as you thought we all should be.

You really should make up your mind about these things.

Spirituality may take something of another mindset then you are used to. For instance, insulting people when they are only trying to be constructive and helpful.

Yes, yes, but with dream monsters you are perfectly charming.

Originally posted by Leo Volont
Dear Neoneironaut

So, it seems that your philosophy of life is to be decent and civilized toward your dream monsters, but with people to come out with virulent biting and spitting attacks.

But then again, I should take pity, as you are coming out to fairly admit that you are psychologically ill.

But, yes, I have seen the Spiritual Potential of Lucid Dreaming for years. But, then, was that not why you attacked me just last week, because I wasn't as thorough goingly materialistic as you thought we all should be.

You really should make up your mind about these things.

Spirituality may take something of another mindset then you are used to. For instance, insulting people when they are only trying to be constructive and helpful.

Yes, yes, but with dream monsters you are perfectly charming.

Dearest Leo,

All I ever said in our previous thread is that I did not agree with you and explained to you why exactly I didn't agree. I challenged some of your opinions and you called this "attacking you". And what you did to answer was to throw a bunch of stickers on me, saying I was a materialist and a this and that, but at no point pointing out exactly what I said that led you to these conclusions. At no point, Leo, did you quote what I said and explained rationally what specifically in my statements did not make sense from your point of view. The only thing coming out of your mouth was judgments about me without solid justifications.

Also, seems like you might be associating reason and critical thinking as being materialist, I dunno. You were never clear about why you called me a materialist, even though I asked you...

Anyway, this is not the right thread to continue this issue. For those interested to know what we are talking about, I warmly invite you to check out our "heated" thread cut-and-pasted below and give your comments. MAybe someone who knows Leo well could interpret for me what he really means!

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20956

Psychologically ill yours,

John

Dear Neoneironaut,

So you are perfectly innocent, are you.

So for you it is customary to interrupt somebody who is giving advice to an old friend, and then to criticize every word. Oh, and not directly, but to speak of the person you are criticizing in the 3rd Person -- objectifying and alienating them -- to create an US vs. HIM environment.

I can see what a wild success you must be at Dinner Parties if you suppose that such behavior is normal and polite.

Anyway, don't try to cover up now. An attack is an attack, even if you are not entirely manly about it. The Hostility you bear me, and likely all other Spiritualists, is probably the same.

Besides, regarding the present discussion, what do you hope to accomplish in your healing process with Lucid Dreams if you insist upon not believing anything. If you insist upon eradicating all meaning out of your dreams, as you argued that I should have done, then isn't it all quite futile.

Or do you suppose that the Spiritual World will consent to unfold for you entirely on your own terms?

It will be interesting to see you arguing point by point with God. and maybe God will have the patience to actually read it all.

Now, now, Leo, actions do not always justify the intent behind them.

But besides that, it seems to make sense to me that since lucid dreams open a pathway to the subconscious they would allow for physical alterations to the organism, not just psychological.

Originally posted by Leo Volont
Dear Neoneironaut,

So you are perfectly innocent, are you.

So for you it is customary to interrupt somebody who is giving advice to an old friend, and then to criticize every word. Oh, and not directly, but to speak of the person you are criticizing in the 3rd Person -- objectifying and alienating them -- to create an US vs. HIM environment.

I can see what a wild success you must be at Dinner Parties if you suppose that such behavior is normal and polite.

Anyway, don't try to cover up now. An attack is an attack, even if you are not entirely manly about it. The Hostility you bear me, and likely all other Spiritualists, is probably the same.

Besides, regarding the present discussion, what do you hope to accomplish in your healing process with Lucid Dreams if you insist upon not believing anything. If you insist upon eradicating all meaning out of your dreams, as you argued that I should have done, then isn't it all quite futile.

Or do you suppose that the Spiritual World will consent to unfold for you entirely on your own terms?

It will be interesting to see you arguing point by point with God. and maybe God will have the patience to actually read it all.

Huh... You are now saying that I... .... Interrupted you? And that I was impolite? Are you REALLY serious?? Maybe I'm not aware of some rules somewhere but I'm opened to take the blame. Can you tell me at what point exactly would it have been polite to share my opinions and disagree with you? Because disagreeing is allowed, is it not?

Leo said:

"if you insist upon eradicating all meaning out of your dreams, as you argued that I should have done, then isn't it all quite futile. "

Leo, once again you generalized and didn't understand me. Here's what I said in my first reply, and I quote:

"This being said, I’m not against dream interpretation, I’m just saying that we have to be careful to make sure that the interpretation is closely related with the subject’s own subjective reality, not just uncontextually extracted from a “Dream interpretation” book"

So no, I'm not against dream interpretation when it's done with something more than a dream interpretation book.

Leo said:

It will be interesting to see you arguing point by point with God. and maybe God will have the patience to actually read it all.

I do not know if God exists nor do I know if he doesn't exist. I just honestly admit to myself that I don't know and deal with this Truth of mine at this moment.

There has been a similar thread in Research Team titled Reframing Trauma by Lucid Dreaming. I am also greatly interested in the topic.

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18492

In regards to Leo Volant: I find him to be somewhat old school. I like a lot of what he has to say but he can at times seem to be preaching.

Originally posted by MarthaM
There has been a similar thread in Research Team titled Reframing Trauma by Lucid Dreaming. I am also greatly interested in the topic.

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18492

Thanks a lot Martha, I'll be sure to check it out!