Thread: Dreams are real

Originally Posted by Goldenspark

The opposite of real is imaginary.

Originally Posted by Goldenspark

An RC is an (imperfect) test that differentiates between real "hard" objects and imagined ones.

You are assuming that we all impart the same meaning to the word "real", but there could be as many definitions of that word, as there are people using it.

You are also assuming that all experiences that are not "hard", are imagined. Therefore you are assuming away any persistent worlds that are not "hard" but are not imagined. This assumption is definitely not shared by everyone.

By your definition the "astral plane" cannot exist - whether or not it in fact does.

Originally Posted by Voldmer

You are assuming that we all impart the same meaning to the word "real", but there could be as many definitions of that word, as there are people using it.

You are also assuming that all experiences that are not "hard", are imagined. Therefore you are assuming away any persistent worlds that are not "hard" but are not imagined. This assumption is definitely not shared by everyone.

By your definition the "astral plane" cannot exist - whether or not it in fact does.

Sure, there are various definitions of real. I'm Just putting my view when applied to the OP "dreams are real - discuss". For me dreams are the perfect definition of something imagined. Full stop.

I don't get the astral plane bit. Sorry. Just fanciful belief like Never Never Land. Fine if you want to believe in it. I don't think any less of anyone believing it or anything else like it, by the way. So long as people don't over-promote or shove it down my throat I am happy for people to believe stuff that may not be true.
I just expect a degree of proof before I will believe something to be true. Until then I maintain a healthy skepticism.

I am saying nothing about experiences that are not "hard". That's not in the real definition that I am applying to dreams. If you say you have an experience, it doesn't really make any sense to me to say that it is "real" in the real/imaginary sense. I'm confining the definition of real to one as applied to dreams, i.e. not real but imaginary.

I don't have any concept of what a "persistent world that is not "hard"" actually means when applied to the definition of real.
Prove that such a thing exists outside of someone's imagination and I will believe you.

I prefer to keep my feet on the ground, while my head can be in the stars (real / imaginary).

Originally Posted by Goldenspark

Sure, there are various definitions of real. I'm Just putting my view when applied to the OP "dreams are real - discuss". For me dreams are the perfect definition of something imagined. Full stop.

I don't get the astral plane bit. Sorry. Just fanciful belief like Never Never Land. Fine if you want to believe in it. I don't think any less of anyone believing it or anything else like it, by the way. So long as people don't over-promote or shove it down my throat I am happy for people to believe stuff that may not be true.
I just expect a degree of proof before I will believe something to be true. Until then I maintain a healthy skepticism.

I am saying nothing about experiences that are not "hard". That's not in the real definition that I am applying to dreams. If you say you have an experience, it doesn't really make any sense to me to say that it is "real" in the real/imaginary sense. I'm confining the definition of real to one as applied to dreams, i.e. not real but imaginary.

I don't have any concept of what a "persistent world that is not "hard"" actually means when applied to the definition of real.
Prove that such a thing exists outside of someone's imagination and I will believe you.

I prefer to keep my feet on the ground, while my head can be in the stars (real / imaginary).

Well I would consider myself "scientific-minded" by all means (in fact, I study scientific subjects like math and physics on a university level at the moment), however, I still allow myself to feel intrigued by "extraordinary" possibilities.
I have never really liked being super-skeptical about everything until I get "hard proof" or whatever, I think it's much more fun and exciting to imagine that something might be true, and my attitude is that I am eagerly waiting for something to turn out true (if I care about it, of course), rather than completely denying its existence until it has been proven beyond all possible doubt.
The fact is that dreams are still a great mystery, and there are lots of things about them that we don't know anything about, and this makes them very fascinating.
The Astral Plane may seem like pseudo-science at the moment, but that's only because we still haven't been able to prove that it exists - everything has been pseudo-science at some point in the past, and a lot of people from Newton's time would think you were crazy if you started talking about "nonsense" like the bending of space an time, electrical devices, quantum physics etc.
Sure, a few scientists may accept your "babble" and see your point, but they would still not be ready to accept it as actual "science".

I am not jumping to conclusions, and I am still not ready to just accept certain things about dreams in general, however I certainly hope that some of them will turn out real someday - like the Astral Plane, for example.
You have gotta admit that the Astral Plane is an insanely cool idea, it would be a truly unique and magical experience to be able to actually observe the physical world as a ghost.
Also, some people believe that dream characters may be actual living entities, simply because the way they interact with you sometimes seems very complex and intelligent for just being "in your imagination".
A lot of people, including myself, have had long deep conversations with dream characters, and even had them teach us things, so on some level it seems like they are independent beings, which is very cool.