Damn...

[BillyBob]

Ive looked upon the face of perfection, and now all other faces are putrid and disgusting. I went on vacation last week, went on a cruise down to the Caribbean and saw the sights and sounds of the beautiful landscapes and the clear ocean waters.... swam with dolphins and sharks and all I can say is.... dammit, that sucked. Lucid dreaming has gotten me so acquainted with bliss and perfection, that real life experiences (the ones that are generally safe ) that most people would find "scary" or "exhilarating" I find to be "so-so" and "ho-hum", nothing compares to experiences in lucid dreams, nothing. the conclusion? lucid dreaming is the best thing that's ever happened to me, I look at the world through eyes that see absolutely anything as being possible and achievable, and all I have to do on any night that I want to have blissful unreal experiences is go to bed a couple hours early and then get up at night to WILD. Yes, it did take work, but I'll tell you now, If I had to put 100 hours of work in for every hour of lucid dreaming I achieve I would still do it. drugs and crime are childlike when compared to to whats possible through lucid dreaming. If your thinking about giving up on it, dont... just keep this phrase in mind: To achieve your goals is to be successful; however, to achieve your dreams is the ultimate success.--Ricky Lankford

[FreshBrains]

I thinky Mr. Rickeh there was talking about achieving your dreams in reality, but I hate technicalities, so I'll ignore that. Suddenly, I'm torn between reading these forms as much as I am now, and not reading them at all. They're very informative, but they make me more and more anxious to have a lucid dream!

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by FreshBrains Suddenly, I'm torn between reading these forms as much as I am now, and not reading them at all. They're very informative, but they make me more and more anxious to have a lucid dream! What do you mean by that? did I say something to want you to quit the forums

[FreshBrains]

No, it's just that I was so excited to start working torwards Lucid Dreams, and you've just increased that tenfold! And they end quickly if you get too excited, right?

[BillyBob]

sometimes yes dont expect them to just end though, you'll set yourself up for disaster

[FreshBrains]

I guess I'll find out then, huh?

[Radiant]

Awesome.

[Mr.caramel]

Well i know lucid dreaming is good and if what you say that its making life seem dim...what i'm trying or going to say is that is Lucid dreaming worth dying for. To make my meaning more correct; do you want to know that what you have achived in a life time can happen in a dream or have a go and do it for real and show you have had a good life and know what you have done. In a dream we are safe but its not real but in reality it is real and you feel that experience and so what would you have; When you die you know you have completed the most out of this world things in a dream OR Die knowing that you have died doing the most out of this world things in your own real life and know that you can be happy that it wasn't just a passing dream. P.S. I'm not saying Lucid dreaming isn't good and you don't need to practise it because i want to make the most Beautiful of dreams but still is it worth it to die an know in a dream or die and kow it wasn't a passing dream.

[wombing]

i get what you're saying...i am not nearly as proficient as you, and i still feel the same way sometimes after a particularly awesome lucid. a few thoughts. 1. consensus "reality" can be shared...by this i mean that although i may be able to visit an absolutely spectacular, radiant forest during a lucid, which is teeming with sanctity and ancient allure, it is impossible to actually share this with anyone other than a figment of your mind...a dream character. whereas i can go camping with friends and share the beauty of a coastal rainforest and it is superior in many ways... because one can share it with other minds. one can take a loved one there, to a special little cave that nobody else knows about.. 2. this isn't a plug for "drugs", but certain entheogens/hallucinogens are capable of providing experiences which can rival, or perhaps surpass lucid dreams. i do not speak of the "physical' affective substances, but the "cerebral". a few of my experiences with psilocybin, N2O, and salvia divinorum could never be reproduced by the dreaming mind (whether lucid or not). i recall you saying you don't need drugs, and are one of the few people you know who don't smoke up regularly. this is cause for respect. just making sure you don't make unfair sweeping generalizations 3. i would be extraordinarily surprised if certain activities could not prove themselves to be other than "ho-hum"...especially activities which carry with them the very real possibility of serious injury or death. for instance, it is one thing to plummet towards the earth in a lucid dream, knowing the worst that will happen is you will wake up in your nice warm bed, but quite another to crawl onto the wing of a plane at ten thousand feet and will yourself to let go with nothing but a pack on your back. the chips are real in waking life. 4. beauty is in the eye of the beholder. remember that you yourself, and the mind which allows you to have amazing lucid experiences, is a product of millions of years of evolution. that without this consensus reality, you would have no material with which to compose lucid dreams. without the ho-hum carribean, you could not possibly imagine a swirling sea of bright red teeming with strange chimeras. sometimes there is greater beauty and excitement in perceiving that which Mind other than oneself has created, especially when one realizes their own small mind is but an insignificant part of Life. -------- just some thoughts..again, i understand, and feel the same way sometimes. perhaps when i have comparable LDs i will be inclined to agree..but i doubt it. IMHO the day waking life is but a shadowy, insignificant, boring, ho-hum burden one must get through in order to return to the dreaming universe, that is the day one has forgotten that the dreaming universe is impossible without consensus reality. ---- to place all one's eggs in the basket of dreaming mind is to remove all value from shared reality...it seems only one person in a great number could do this without eventually becoming depressed and lonely. --- not shitting all over your lucid reality...there is a pleasure in self-created art that stands alone. congratulations on the rewards of your hard work...work invested while awake. it'd just seem like a shame to see someone else incapable of enjoying consensus reality...viewing it like a prison. to place one's identity fully with the king midas they are capable of being in their dreams is to risk two things. 1. becoming disenchanted with the sterile perfection of their golden lucid landscape of mindless DCs 2. see everyone and everything which has any worth apart from ego-centered existence turn into coal with the touch of one's waking eyes. ------ lucid dreaming IS amazing...it certainly makes television boring. but it seems a shame and waste of a life when it makes the totality of existence apart from the 1400 cc of biology within one's skull boring as well.. i hope you find balance...without "imperfection" there is no "perfection"... namaste 8)

[PenguinLord13]

Well that's one more reason to continue lucid dreaming, but my opinion on lucid dreaming is it's not real, and to achieve something great in reality is much better than in a dream, even if the great thing in the dream is much cooler; it's just not real. That being said, if only I can just become good at LDing...that would be great. 8)

[BillyBob]

no people, I'm not saying lucid dreaming is any substitute for life, without reality we would have nothing to base our dreams or anything else we think or do on, reality is the center of everything, It has its really good things, for example one of you brought up sharing experiences with people, that's something that only an idiot would try and substitute with dreams. I was talking about personal experiences... you could never hope to strap yourself to a rocket and blast into outer-space in real life... (unless you had a deathwish ) but in dreams that is possible, anything is. Real life is one thing, dreams are a whole other realm, dreams could never substitute for real life but when added to real life they can make life 500x more enjoyable and infinitely more varied 3. i would be extraordinarily surprised if certain activities could not prove themselves to be other than "ho-hum"...especially activities which carry with them the very real possibility of serious injury or death. * for instance, it is one thing to plummet towards the earth in a lucid dream, knowing the worst that will happen is you will wake up in your nice warm bed, but quite another to crawl onto the wing of a plane at ten thousand feet and will yourself to let go with nothing but a pack on your back. * the chips are real in waking life. [/b] as I said in my first post: (note the phrase that I put in bold/ italics/ underlined) Lucid dreaming has gotten me so acquainted with bliss and perfection, that real life experiences (the ones that are generally safe ) that most people would find "scary" or "exhilarating" I find to be "so-so" and "ho-hum"[/i][/u][/b] Of course risking your life is exhilarating, when you risk your life your risking absolutely everything that you are/ you have. only a complete and utter dumbass wouldn't find that exciting/ scary..... Anyway. Its not like I would ever stop going on vacations and stuff, I had some fun... but it just flat out sucked compared to my lucid experiences. (that's not to say that I didn't have fun)[/b] PS. if I said something you said wombing then sorry, I didn't get through your post, it sounded like you were just in a mad rage trying to make me out to be some dumbass that dwells only in his head. once again all the original was saying is that dreams are amazing creations of the mind that in most cases surpass waking reality in that what you dream is your perception of perfection. Real life social relations and such are invaluable, but places and feelings are often hundreds of times better in dreams than in real life

[Seeker]

Got to put my two cents worth in here. I agree with BillyBob here. Who else but a lucid dreamer has the opportunity to walk with his/her feet in both worlds? To experience the beauty of waking life and to walk the paths of the dreamscape. Man, it is so cool! Nothing like extreme lucid experiences to make you truly appreciate the both worlds and to be FREEKING HAPPY TO BE ALIVE!

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by Seeker Got to put my two cents worth in here. *I agree with BillyBob here. *Who else but a lucid dreamer has the opportunity to walk with his/her feet in both worlds? To experience the beauty of waking life and to walk the paths of the dreamscape. *Man, it is so cool! *Nothing like extreme lucid experiences to make you truly appreciate the both worlds and to be FREEKING HAPPY TO BE ALIVE! I'm glad someone understands where I'm coming from here

[wombing]

if I said something you said wombing then sorry, I didn't get through your post, it sounded like you were just in a mad rage trying to make me out to be some dumbass that dwells only in his head.[/b] i go into mad rages about once a year, and my mood while writing this was simply moderate concern for yourself. your response shows that the imbalanced mindset i feared you might possess was wrongly assumed...i am glad. you are balanced though i am confident you can forgive me for making such an assumption based on the way in which you opened your post: Ive looked upon the face of perfection, and now all other faces are putrid and disgusting. * I went on vacation last week, went on a cruise down to the Caribbean and saw the sights and sounds of the beautiful landscapes and the clear ocean waters.... swam with dolphins and sharks and all I can say is.... dammit, that sucked. [/b] and my main concern (and the subject of the brunt of my post) was concerned with the statement: *nothing compares to experiences in lucid dreams, nothing. [/b] i assumed you included social interaction into this statement...that is all. i wish you the best of both worlds 8)

[BillyBob]

yes after reading over my original post I noted those two exact lines I see how this could be taken like that, It would have been better if you noted those two phrases in the first place rather than tearing apart every other part of my post... anyway that aside internet arguments are stupid and I formally ask for your forgiveness for any idiotic/ rude statements I might have made.

[wombing]

in the future i will do my best to quote the portions of a post i am addressing... no idiotic/rude statements were made...there was just a little misinterpetation on both sides. but, as you formally asked, i formally forgive you peace

[Mr.caramel]

Opps i guess i assumed wrong aswell but as one of my favourite lines from the poem:Hurricane in england, states; What is the earth is the earth is the earth. It means; what has been done has been done and forever will be done but thats wrong if your in a lucid dream because you can traval back in time if you wanted or correct that mistake So i gues being in a both realms make you see the reality of the world

[danbarber]

Originally posted by Seeker Got to put my two cents worth in here. *I agree with BillyBob here. *Who else but a lucid dreamer has the opportunity to walk with his/her feet in both worlds? To experience the beauty of waking life and to walk the paths of the dreamscape. *Man, it is so cool! *Nothing like extreme lucid experiences to make you truly appreciate the both worlds and to be FREEKING HAPPY TO BE ALIVE! My thoughts exactly, LDers get the best of both worlds. You spend alot of time sleeping, you might as well use that for something you enjoy.

[Cabeleira]

If one learns to be awake while dreaming, then it would be possible to really awaken in waking life as well. Sort of being lucid in waking life. I think many people just sleepwalk through their lives. Lucid dreamers get the most out of dreaming, and possibly even more of waking life as well. In dreams, everything is possible, and knowing this you get the feeling you can do anything you set your mind to. So lucid dreaming might help to wake up and live life to it's fullest. Am I making any sense?

[PenguinLord13]

Originally posted by BillyBob_001 no people, I'm not saying lucid dreaming is any substitute for life, without reality we would have nothing to base our dreams or anything else we think or do on, reality is the center of everything, It has its really good things, for example one of you brought up sharing experiences with people, that's something that only an idiot would try and substitute with dreams. I was talking about personal experiences... you could never hope to strap yourself to a rocket and blast into outer-space in real life... (unless you had a deathwish Smile) but in dreams that is possible, anything is. I wasn't in any way implying that you were escaping reality through dreams, thoogh it's still good to hear you say it directly. Seriously, I'm so jealous, I wan't to master LDing already, it looks so fun to be in total control.