Some exotic LD/Astral methods.

[The Whist Hound]

Hey, Right, while I'm still grasping onto the concept of LD, a good friend tried to get me to understand the basics. He told me of some various ways to reach these wonderful experiences, and I am just wondering whether you guys know of them? The first is, where, after a serious of meditational excersises, you somehow visualize you have your own tower, and with your ability, you are building it as high as you can. Every time you raise your tower just a bit, you are closer to getting there. (I don't know where, I have never experienced anything like this) Eventually, you begin to see other towers on the horizon, where other people, of similiar abilty, have built their towers. Right, the other visualization is that you build a temple. After walking around it several times, if you can, you walk inside. You walk down a long, dark corridor, until you reach a door at the end. You open the door. You see a chair in the middle of the room, with God himself sitting in the chair. You walk around and around the room until eventually, if you manage to sit in the chair, you become God. I really don't know what to make of these methods, and I am wondering perhaps some of you guys have heard of them? I would be really grateful if someone could provide me with an answer, because it has been nagging inside me for a while now. Thanks, Ben.

[FluBB]

hmm well i definatly havent heard of anything like that.... perhaps thats a more eastern type of self induction technique or something... sounds interesting.... if you want things that most people use go to the tutorial page.

[Leo Volont]

Towers. I have always seen Mountains as a more recurrent symbol, but these Mountains have had some very artificial aspects. The most memorable 'Mountain' was very steep, and it was tiered, like a staircase, but all around. yes, when I think of it for a moment, it would seem more like a Tower than a natural mountain. However, there had been vegetation upon it. There was a Goddess of the Mountain and she told me from half way up the Mountain, "Only those at the bottom cannot go to the Top".

[Leo Volont]

Oh... this reminds me of a Dream a friend of mine once had: Jim's dream A friend of mine at work, Jim, who sometimes tells me his dreams, came to me with what he said was a big dream that he absolutely had to tell me about. In his dream, he said there was a huge mountain, extremely tall and extremely steep -- more pointy than any "Real" mountain; and there were five young Indians climbing it. It was growing dark, and each of the five young Indians was carrying a stick tipped with bright sparkler-like emanations-- the lights had an awesome and yet subdued type of spectacular beauty. Here, I interrupted my friends to enquire as to where he was in the dream, or whether he was just a disembodied witness. He said that he often had dreams were his disembodied presence just witnessed the dream, and this was one of those times. And Jim continued, "Anyway, in the dream, the young Indians struggled to the top of the mountain, and they all reached their sticks upward. Then they twirled the sticks and leaped up and down with them, and they sang and chanted for awhile, and then I zoomed in and I was among them, still disembodied, but I could hear what they were saying. One of the Indians was telling the others, 'Of course, now I know the source of our disappointment -- we are being too proud and too forward. We are not worthy that the Star God take our star fragments from us face to face. Surely, if we throw our star fragments upward and turn around and not look back, the Star God will then receive our offerings and we and our people will be very much blest.' The other indians are convinced and looked relieved except one who stepped forward with a very serious look on his face and said, '"No, we are simply not high enough. The Star God would reach down if He could, but He can't, not this far down. We must go higher.' The others in frustrated tones argued that this mountain was the tallest mountain they knew of. But the one tenacious Indian would not relent -- 'Then we must journey and enquire and learn of even taller mountains and seek them out and climb them -- and when we are high enough, the Star God will take these star fragments right from our hands. But we can never rest and we must always endure, even if it takes our entire lives -- we must go higher. ' " "Then", Jim said, " suddenly it was the next night and four of the young indians were coming back into their village -- slow, bent and tired. The Chief steps out and says, "Greetings, my young Braves, how did it go?" The one indian says "Chief, we had great success. Look up! The Star God took our star fragments and put them in the highest part of the Milky Way --there they are, can you see them?" And he pointed into the densest cluster of stars in the sky. The Chief looks up, squints and says, "Yes, I believe I can see them, they are very beautiful. But, by the way, where is. . . (and Jim makes the aside. . I forgot his name, but the Chief called him by name. . . ) Whatshisname? Is he straggling behind?" And the one indian said, "No! Whatshisname would never straggle. He was our leader -- when we stumbled he would give us a hand, and when we would grow tired he would encourage of us to climb higher and higher. Finally when we reached the highest peak, The Star God was so pleased with Whatshisname, our leader, that when he took the star fragments he also offered to take Whatshisname so that Whatshisname could be like a God himself and watch over the World and our People for all Eternity. So Whatshisname, turning away from our world and turning toward the world of spirit, gladly surrendered, and the Star God reached out and took him up in His own hands and they both rose up into the firmament above. He will be up in the sky, with the Star God, looking over us until the end of time. " And then Jim paused his narrative for a moment and looked pensive. He looked right into my eyes and said, "Then the most remarkable thing, even for a dream, happened. . . " but I just had to interrupt -- I said "The little bastards killed him. " And then, all excitedly, Jim jumped back in --"That's it! That's what happened in The dream. From behind the village somewhere, your voice started yelling "The little bastards killed him. The fuckin no good dirty little bastards killed him.". You know, I suspected the same thing, but was going to keep quiet, because that's where all those famous Indian legends come from, but there's Leo shouting "The little bastards killed him. " Then I woke up. And he remarked that it's been years since he had such a long vivid dream. I asked him what meaning the dream had for him, and he just shrugged.

[scruffty]

Originally posted by The Whist Hound Hey, Right, while I'm still grasping onto the concept of LD, a good friend tried to get me to understand the basics. He told me of some various ways to reach these wonderful experiences, and I am just wondering whether you guys know of them? The first is, where, after a serious of meditational excersises, you somehow visualize you have your own tower, and with your ability, you are building it as high as you can. Every time you raise your tower just a bit, you are closer to getting there. (I don't know where, I have never experienced anything like this) Eventually, you begin to see other towers on the horizon, where other people, of similiar abilty, have built their towers. Right, the other visualization is that you build a temple. After walking around it several times, if you can, you walk inside. You walk down a long, dark corridor, until you reach a door at the end. You open the door. You see a chair in the middle of the room, with God himself sitting in the chair. You walk around and around the room until eventually, if you manage to sit in the chair, you become God. I really don't know what to make of these methods, and I am wondering perhaps some of you guys have heard of them? I would be really grateful if someone could provide me with an answer, because it has been nagging inside me for a while now. Thanks, Ben. sounds like a place in your mind called the 'temple of meridia' http://home.xtra.co.nz/hosts/Wingmakers/Contents.html you can find funking loads of info on it as well as some other very strange things on this website @ leo that be a quality dream

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by The Whist Hound Hey, Right, while I'm still grasping onto the concept of LD, a good friend tried to get me to understand the basics. He told me of some various ways to reach these wonderful experiences, and I am just wondering whether you guys know of them? The first is, where, after a serious of meditational excersises, you somehow visualize you have your own tower, and with your ability, you are building it as high as you can. Every time you raise your tower just a bit, you are closer to getting there. (I don't know where, I have never experienced anything like this) Eventually, you begin to see other towers on the horizon, where other people, of similiar abilty, have built their towers. Right, the other visualization is that you build a temple. After walking around it several times, if you can, you walk inside. You walk down a long, dark corridor, until you reach a door at the end. You open the door. You see a chair in the middle of the room, with God himself sitting in the chair. You walk around and around the room until eventually, if you manage to sit in the chair, you become God. I really don't know what to make of these methods, and I am wondering perhaps some of you guys have heard of them? I would be really grateful if someone could provide me with an answer, because it has been nagging inside me for a while now. Thanks, Ben. sounds to me like its just meathods to do a WILD... To WILD I used to imagine myself walking up a massive open stairway with the stairs appearing under my feet with each step upward, (this sounds much like the building) it doesnt matter what your imagining so long as it keeps your attention long enough for you to get into an LD (about 30 mins to an hour) for me imagining doing things isnt a very good WILD meathod, it makes for low-deatail dreams that break apart a few seconds after I get in them. I recommend Seekers tutorial on WILDing here: http://dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12621 although putting a religious/ mythical tie around the WILDing process may make the process easier at first, its best to just learn the real meathod so theres no placebo involved with your learning I hope my post made sense lol

[Alric]

It sounds like its just visualization. When you do WILDs and stuff it helps to try and visualize stuff in your mind, and as you enter a dream the stuff you see will slowly start looking real and then they will become real and your inside the dream. They probably have an idea of what their trying to do, to help focus. Its easy to fall asleep while trying stuff like that, so anything that helps you focus is good..

[The Whist Hound]

Wow...wow!! Yes, I think it is simply a visualization. Let me tell you what happened. I decided to go to bed thinking about building my temple, walking round it etc...the steps I spoke of above.. Well, the nearer I got to the room, the more excited I somehow felt. I let my mind become comfortable in thinking about this (as in, completely relaxed and enjoyed visualising) By the time I reached the room with God in, I started feeling my right eyelid twitching at an incredible speed. I clenched my fist to check whether it was SP, but I could move. As I reached closer to the chair, I felt my heart was going to explode. I suddenly felt this deep sinking feeling. Something I have never felt before in my entire 15 years. I felt I was going into a lucid dream, but then, something happened, and I lost the feeling. I retraced my steps through the temple, but couldn't keep my concentration. Even though it didn't reach lucidity, (I'm not even sure it was me becoming lucid, it felt kind of like an OBE) it was a fantastic feeling. I hope I can do it again.