Well, I think there IS a 100% LD method, but...

**banner88** · 06-08-2006 11:31 AM

...Unfortunately, it is a computer program made exclusively in russian. It's called MindInstaller.

(This is not an advert, the program is freeware).

Personally, I think it's one of the MOST EFFECTIVE methods to achieve an LD that exists in the world. Basically, you need to train with it about 7~8 times a day for two weeks, 20 minutes each exercize. And it's a horrible pain.

The thing is, the program literally burns different instructions into your subconsciousness, accompanied by the fact that you have to read the instructions out loud about 8 times each time, and listen to them around the same amount of times.

I found that after 2 weeks, an LD is pretty much guaranteed, as you start fully realising where you are about every half an hour (it's not distracting, it's actually pretty refreshing).

After using that program, I get about 4 - 5 LD's a week minimum, and have been doing so for months.

The problem is that - you guessed it - it exists exclusively in russian.

So, first of all, if you are russian, there's your guaranteed LD. It's a pain, but it works better than anything.

If you're not... well, that's the point of my post. Below I will post the link for the program, those interested in it can check it out. There's a russian readme included.

I was wondering if anyone knows of an english equivalent, or failing that, can program acceptably well with Visual Basic or something like that. The program itself is fairly uncomplicated - it just flashes phrases on a screen x times a second for an x amount of time (it's adjustable), accompanied by coloured flashes and a spectrum background.

Then there is a textfile you have to read, and you have to use a microphone to record the same phrases, and listen to them as well 7 times each exercize.

Basically, this is a 100% method for LD'ing, and I wanted to share it.
The program is below:

http://mindinstaller.nm.ru/MindInstaller105.zip

(There are 2 .reg files included. If the program stops working, just double-click them. Win version only.)

This program is also disliked, because it's a horrile pain to use during the first two weeks (you have to literally spend hours upon hours every single day reading out the same instructions and looking at the PC screen). Well, no gain without pain. If you don't want guaranteed LD's, go back to your 1 LD per month and your 100-page thick dream journal.

**Nikolaa** · 06-08-2006 11:49 AM

i can understand something,but that read me looks like it's written on some alien languig,can u tell me what to do,becous i hardly understand russian

**scruffty** · 06-08-2006 11:52 AM

I'm not sure I would like to try this
I like the effort and time put in to explore this whole other side of consciousness
it's not really something I want to rush

If you could take medication to induce lucid dreaming every night, with no side effects
would you?

**banner88** · 06-08-2006 11:52 AM

If you can't understand it, unfortunately it won't help you - as you have to learn the instructions (ideally) in your motherlanguage, or at least in a language that you understand very, very well - russian in this case.

**banner88** · 06-08-2006 11:54 AM

I'm not sure I would like to try this *
I like the effort and time put in to explore this whole other side of consciousness *
it's not really something I want to rush [/b]

Sure, it's your choice. Personally, I just found that 1 LD a month was fairly useless. The more LD's you have, the more universally useful things for your psyche you can do (otherwise you'd use the rare times to get some real fun). That way you can do both.

Plus, the best way to explore your consciousness (and subconsciousness) is in an LD.

If you could take medication to induce lucid dreaming every night, with no side effects *
would you? [/b]

Well, this is different... This is mechanical. A drug that induces LD's WOULD have side-effects because of their very nature.

Generally, this program is no different than training to do reality checks - just much more efficient.

**Nikolaa** · 06-08-2006 12:11 PM

what's the point of this i little ppl understand russian on this forume?

**banner88** · 06-08-2006 12:14 PM

The point was me wondering if there is something like that in english, or if someone could code something like that.

**Radiant** · 06-09-2006 07:14 AM

This is awesome...is there really no english version? I mean, why wouldn't there be? "Mind" and "Installer" are both english words.

Is there a way to request an english version, or perhaps some computer wiz on here can go all up into the .ini files or whatever, and code it some how?

I think this idea of this program is simply awesome.

**gameover** · 06-09-2006 09:27 AM

nothing in science is 100%. Anyways it doesn't sound all that magical.

**banner88** · 06-09-2006 11:45 AM

This is awesome...is there really no english version? I mean, why wouldn't there be? "Mind" and "Installer" are both english words. [/b]

I assume the programmer could speak some english, and english titles always sound so cool.

Is there a way to request an english version, or perhaps some computer wiz on here can go all up into the .ini files or whatever, and code it some how? [/b]

That's what I was asking. There are no .ini files, but it shouldn't be too hard to code, and the .rar has all the picture files in it as well. Sadly, my limited C++ skills can't do it, or else I would.

nothing in science is 100%. Anyways it doesn't sound all that magical. *[/b]

No, it's not magical, it's very practical. As for 100% - if you keep doing it a good amount of times a day, you WILL get LD's - maybe not in two weeks, maybe not as often, but all it does is create an automatic reflex to realise where you are from time to time, and so far, it has worked for everybode I know.

The other side is that doing the program at the beginning is nothing short of pure torture... You need a lot of willpower to force yourself to stare at the damn screen and read out the instructions.

**gameover** · 06-09-2006 11:47 AM

Sounds like getting in the habit of checking your state frequently, which does work. Adding the amount of energy put into it I bet youd have a lot of lucid dreams.

**ilovefrootloopz** · 06-09-2006 12:50 PM

A few questions:
1) So.... if it's Russian how am I supposed to understand it? (Except my Rabbi speaks Russian lmao)
2)Is their a mac version? Or do I have to use Virtual PC

3)Will this program cause me to rely on it?
4)Does it help improve dream recall?

**Seeker** · 06-09-2006 02:14 PM

I am really hesitant to let anything into my head, especially subliminals like this thing appears to use.

A program like that should be fairly easy to create, especially using C# or VB.NET. Unfortunately I don't have the time right now so I guess I'll just keep on doing what I am right now.

**banner88** · 06-09-2006 02:33 PM

I am really hesitant to let anything into my head, especially subliminals like this thing appears to use.[/b]

Is that really subliminal? I mean, half the work is not really the program, but you reading and speaking the phrases. As for the program, what can it possibly do? Text can't cause you to go rob a bank.

But I think a lot of people would appreciate a method that works well, if nothing else helps.

1) So.... if it's Russian how am I supposed to understand it? (Except my Rabbi speaks Russian lmao) *
2)Is their a mac version? Or do I have to use Virtual PC *
3)Will this program cause me to rely on it? *
4)Does it help improve dream recall?[/b]

1) You're not.

2) No.
3) After a while, it'll be automated. You might still want to do it a couple of times a week, though, for more LD's.
4) It causes you to have more vivid dreams, which, in turn, might lead to better recall, yess, but it doesn't do anything specific about that.

**skuruza** · 06-09-2006 02:36 PM

ok, wo things:

1. is it 100% non harmful to your brain or health?
2. i will getit if the answer to the above question is no. I am Russian/Ukranian

**banner88** · 06-09-2006 03:05 PM

1. is it 100% non harmful to your brain or health? [/b]

As far as I can see, not any more that you going around the town, asking constantly if you're awake, it just works a lot faster. There's also a read-me included in the file.

Tell me your results! Всего хорошего.

**skuruza** · 06-09-2006 03:10 PM

thanks, i dont have the russian keyboard to reply, but bye... i am leaving for Ukraine in 7hrs...Bye everyone!

pj · 06-09-2006 06:37 PM

Can you tell us what the instructions are, in English?

What does the program do that simple study and repitition won't or can't accomplish?

**skuruza** · 06-09-2006 07:07 PM

don't know- its is in Russian, but i dont have the russian language pack, so it is all weird.

pj · 06-09-2006 07:52 PM

Oh... guess I misunderstood. Thought you knew first-hand that it worked 100% because you spoke Russian.

**ilovefrootloopz** · 06-09-2006 09:05 PM

I tried it on Virtual PC.... even if I don't speak Russian... I wanted to see what it was.

You tell me if this is supposed to happen, or will this just add on to the numerous other problems I'm having with Virtual PC (which by the way is version 7 and is running Windows 2000 proffesional):

I start up Virtual PC, and open the mindinstaller folder. I choose the Mindinstaller file with the radioactive simple on it. It pops up with this message and plays a ding sound. I have NO idea what the message says. I press ok, and then it pops up with this odd thing. It has 3 different buttons to press. If I press the second, it will show me a russian .html file. If I press the third, then nothing happens if I press the first button, then it will minimize itself and go into this new page. It is a grey background with russian words or something changing every 2 seconds. Occasionally it will screw up, messing up the resolution and showing an ugly gradiental circular image. If I listen closely, I can hear some cracks at the beggining. Then nothing. Then when I get fed up and quit, it brings up a "ToRead" file, with more giberish.

It's got me confused, that's for sure

pj · 06-09-2006 09:53 PM

Originally posted by megabenman

It's got me confused, that's for sure

Maybe the confusion is the key!

CRILD... Confused Rusian Induced Lucid Dream

**banner88** · 06-10-2006 04:53 AM

First of all, Google "AppLocale" to get the program in normal russian.

Second, if you're not russian, this progam will be as much help to you as dried dog poo on a stick.

Third, for those that ARE russian, here are the instructions:

Как пользоваться:

1. Скачать программу можно с сайта:
http://mindinstaller.nm.ru

2. Установить программу и открыть файл ToRead.txt

3. Взять микрофон и записать 6-7 файлов, читая текст из ToRead.txt. Записывать каждый файл нужно разным голосом/разным темпом. Это нужно для того, чтобы при прослушивании не происходило привыкания к голосу.

4. Открыть Winamp, сделать плэйлист из записанных файлов + файл ToListen.mp3 из директории с программой (там другой голос), сохранить.

5. Запустить MindInstaller, включить режимы:
Нормальный, градиент 33%, градиент спектрум, шрифт курсив, вспышки, расширенный набор, концентрация внимания

6. Начать просмотр в этом режиме. Важные моменты при просмотре:
а) все внимание на тексте, смотреть лучше в центр экрана
б) стараться уловить, что написано в проскакивающих строчках, вряд ли вам это удастся, но нужно продолжать стараться
в) периодически внимание будет уплывать, нужно возвращать его назад к тексту
г) стараться ни о чем не думать, т.к. внимание будет уплывать на мысли
д) постоянно следить, чтобы внимание оставалось на тексте и ни на чем другом

7. После окончания просмотра переключить в режим Экстрим, градиент 50% и просмотреть еще раз. Можно вместо Экстрима включить режим Продвинутый, скорость 40-50, количество 400, действует еще эффективнее.

8. После окончания просмотра закрыть программу и открыть файл ToRead.txt.

9. Прочитать текст в файле вслух с выражением 6-7 раз. Если нет возможности читать вслух, то читать 6-7 раз про себя (не так эффективно). Важные моменты при чтении текста:
а) осознавать, что читаешь, т.е. читать не просто бездумно, а представлять себе действие или вопрос в тексте.
б) читать с интонациями (вопросы с вопросительной, команды с побудительной и т.д.)
в) при чтении можно про себя отвечать на вопросы (например Моя цель? - осознать себя во сне и т.д.)
г) думать о чем-либо еще во время чтения, либо развивать темы вопросов в тексте не нужно

10. После того как зачитали файл, открываем Winamp c плэйлистом из записанных 6-7 файлов + файл из дистрибутива, ставим режим Shuffle (произвольный порядок воспроизведения) и запускаем прослушивание.

11. Слушаем установки 6-7 раз. Громкость звука не ставить слишком тихой, лучше использовать наушники. При прослушивании правила такие же, как и при чтении, т.е. все осознаем, ни о чем не думаем, предельное внимание и т.д.

12. Пункты 5-11 считаем за один сеанс работы с программой.

13. В день нужно выполнять минимум 3-4 таких сеанса.

14. От частоты сеансов зависит как скоро произойдет первое осознание во сне. У меня произошло через 2 недели после использования в режиме 7-8 сеансов в день. Так что в режиме 3-4 сеанса нужно, вероятно, не меньше месяца.

15. Перед сном нужно выполнить один сеанс, потом открываем файл Gra1.jpg или файл Baker1.jpg из архива tosee.rar. Открывать нужно в любой программе, которая умеет показывать на полный экран. Смотрим минут 5 в центр экрана, ни о чем не думаем, ловим визуальные глюки (а они будут обязательно), потом идем спать. Данное упражнение тоже очень эффективно (сны более яркие становятся).

16. Для увеличения эффективности можно просматривать 3 раза вместо 2х, т.е. один раз режим Нормальный 33% градиент, 2ой раз режим Экстрим 50% градиент, 3ий раз режим Продвинутый скорость 50 к/c, 400, градиент 50%.

17. Регулярно чередуем градиент в программе (Огненный Шар или Спектрум).

18. Можно менять цвет и начертание шрифта в Windows с каждым просмотром, действует эффективнее на подсознание.

19. Через 40-50 сеансов программа начинает выгружаться при запуске сеанса. Для исправления этого нужно запустить файлы fixbug1.reg и fixbug2.reg (есть в комплекте программы на сайте http://mindinstaller.nm.ru)

20. Не ждите быстрого прогресса с этой программой. Подсознанию нужно время, чтобы усвоить установки. С другой стороны программа действует медленно, но верно. Через несколько недель использования это чувствуется очень ясно.

21. FAQ по программе есть тут:
http://mindinstaller.nm.ru/faq.html
Хорошая статья новичка о его опыте использования:
http://mindinstaller.nm.ru/hymn.html

**tehownerer** · 06-10-2006 05:50 AM

Anyone that can translate Russian-> English - Please at least translate the Readme first then start working on the text. It would be much appreciated. Damn... I only know English a some German.

**ilovefrootloopz** · 06-10-2006 06:25 AM

Well you could use dried dog poo on a stick as a prank so then it does have its uses... maybe.

But can you tell me if it at least worked normally on Virtual PC, or do I need to hit myself in anger of VPC being annoying again.

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