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      Unwanted LD's

      ok, my problem is this

      ive been trying to LD quite a bit over the past couple of weeks, and i recently had my first like 3 days ago, without even trying, it just came to me, which i found very weird it also lasted for a really long time and i had to actually wake myself up from it because i was getting a bit worried hahaha.

      but lately every night i can feel myself drifting into an LD, im not even trying to have one, i dont even want one, but i will unwillingly have them. last night i had an LD and 3 false awakenings, without wanting one AT ALL, and i end up staying up all night and not sleeping because i dont want to LD. i know alot of people would love to be able to have this, but it's kind of distressing cos i want to be able to sleep peacefully most nights, and actually CHOOSE when i want to LD, not have them instantly come to me when i go to bed everynight.

      the night i had my 1st LD was after i'd been smoking a bit of pot, and im still feeling the affects of it, so perhaps this could be the problem?
      help would be appreciated
      thanks.

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      Dear Heshy,

      The general popular assumption is that dreams are experienced by the Self, that is, by the same self that that had gone to sleep. It is an easy mistake to make, since the experience seems to be in the First Person -- it feels like ourself. And in most cases when the Dreamer sees its reflection in a mirror, it even looks like ourself. So the inference is that the Dream Self is the same person as the Waking Self.

      But, no, not really.

      In ordinary dreams, the Dreamer is the Dream Persona. The Dream Persona is a kind of twin to the Waking Self -- similar but not the same. There is a enough shared consciousness so that there is a degree of Dream Recall, but the Dream Persona is to a large extent, its own Man.

      Well, it does get complicated.... you see, the purpose of Lucid Dreaming, over all, is to help integrate the Waking Self and the Dream Persona. Everyone must probably notice that the Dream Persona is a bit crude and primitive compared to the Waking Self (though some people seek out this primal return to a carefree amorality as a kind of a vacation from the cares and responsibilities of Real Life). Lucidity is a maturation process where the Waking Self and the Dreaming Persona reconcile their differences and move toward becoming the same Entity.

      Once you understand that, then you can understand the context of your particular problem.

      What seems to have happened is that when you fall asleep, you are having a problem even locating your Dream Persona. Your Dream Persona has effectively abandoned your Waking Self. To use a Spiritual Metaphor, you have LOST YOUR SOUL.

      It might just be because you are a Doper, but probably I would guess that there is something even more significant going on in your life. You should concentrate and think back. What have you done so that you would have alienated your Soul?

      Have you done something so morally or aesthetically distasteful that even the Primitive Dream Persona would have been repulsed by it?

      'Party hardy' is one thing, but one as a human being should be careful not to descend beyond certain depths.

      If you are able to discern a cause for this Alienation, then you might be able to rectify the problem by apologizing to your Dream Persona and by promising to be more discrete in the future.

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      Wow, thats harsh. Can someone really lose their soul?. And does that mean that if you want to have heaps of lucid dreams, you should do something terribly bad and dishonest so that you are unable to find your dream persona?? Heshy, if i was you i would take advantage of the situation and enjoy the lucid dreams while u can, despite the fact that u have no soul.

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      I am very skeptical about the idea of losing your soul, and I don't think that is what's happening to you, though I am not one to totally discredit the possibility, and wouldn't put it out of the question. The truth is, most LDs aren't planned, and just happen, and you should take advantage of this. These LDs are the fruit of your hard work to achieve an LD. I understand the want to induce Lucidity only when you want it, and just have a calm night whenever else, but remember, by becoming Lucid, it doesn't mean you have to control the dream. If you want you can just lay back and let the dream take on it's own course, and just be happy you know you are dreaming. Or better, take yourself to a calm place, like on a cloud or at the beach, and relax. Take advantage of it, and if you don't want to LD, just sit back, and do nothing, the dream will shape itself.

      P.S. Assuming you can lose your soul (which I personally don't believe), how do you know this, and how do you get it back?

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      My guess is the pot, but maybe you're just a prodigy. Anyway, my advice is to relax and enjoy the ride. Like PenguinLord13 said, just because you're lucid doesn't mean you have to control everything. Heck, maybe even try lucid dreaming instead of getting high...it's a heck of a lot cheaper.

      As for the soul, I don't think it's really fair to talk about losing it without laying out a conception of what it actually is.

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