Thread: For Those With A Novadreamer

A friend of mine has one and said it's supposed to take several months to do all the exercises. He never found it comfortable enough to use. I'll be borrowing it from him soon so I can comment on it first hand then...

I got the Novadreamer from my friend yesterday and tried it last night. I found it comfortable enough to keep on all night. I used the medium sleep cue and that may be a good fit. The first time I got a cue (I think) it woke me up, but I had some long dreams throughout the night. I also got the cue a few times throughout the night when I was awake.

Interestingly, many of them revolved around the Novadreamer itself. I brought the Novadreamer to work and was showing it to people, and for a moment while someone was looking at it I got distracted, and the guy looking at it was gone. I was frantically searching for the guy, thinking that he'd stolen it. At one point I was at work wearing the Novadreamer, and I could still see. I didn't pick it up as a dream cue though.

At the end of the night the Novadreamer told me it had given me 21 cues throughout the night, and I don't remember nearly that many. I wonder how many times I noticed the cue while dreaming and I passed it off as noticing the cue when awake. I do have vague recollections of seeing the novadreamer go off when I'm not wearing it, and I bet that was during one of my Novadreamer inspired dreams.

Overall my first impressions are very good! It seemed to improve my dream recall, and the fact that so many of the dreams revolved around the novadreamer may be because I used it for the first time, but if I continue to have those dreams, it should be a gateway to lucidity soon. It's a very neat device, especially since I didn't have to pay for it!

What the Nova Dreamer was -- the most important consideration for La Berge, was that it was an original patent. He has exclusive rights.

I suppose the mechanism at the heart of it is the sensor that detects when the eyes are flickering in REM Sleep.

It would be GREAT if it worked. But it doesn't.

After months of using it, you will either be woken up arbitrarily through the night, or not woken up at all. It senses motion, so any time you roll over, it will wake you up. But when you dream, you are in Sleep Paralysis, just when you won't be moving, except for your eyes, but they are under the lids, and the Nova Dreamer isn't psychic, now is it?

But it was a Wonderful Idea, a good coherent Theory, and that is what La Berge is charging for, over 200 dollars a pop. But, remember, in the real everyday world of trying to use something, it doesn't work.

Leo, you didn't mention if your opinion was based on personal experience.

If your explanation for why it doesn't work is true, then logic would follow that you could not detect REM movement in the eyes by looking at a person's eyes while they sleep. However, this is a very easy thing to detect... because the eye lids move when the eyes do. So that logic simply doesn't hold. It doesn’t take a psychic to see eye lids move, so why should it take that for a motion sensor?

I agree 100% about the cost and would not recommend something like this to anyone who wasn't willing to piss away hundreds of dollars without flinching (some people are comfortable with this), for the simple fact that anyone can learn to lucid dream with minimal cost, if any. But now that I can use one without paying anything for it, I'm in a unique position to give the device the chance to stand on its own merits, and I'm perfectly happy to do it. From my brief experience with it, it does not trigger a cue every time I move or every time the device shifts on my face. It does give the cue when you are not in REM sleep, but who can expect the mechanism to be perfect in discerning REM sleep from other kinds of movements? The important thing is that it is triggered consistently enough by REM movement. After two nights with it, I can safely say that I have received the cue while dreaming. Perhaps that’s just a coincidence. If after a while, the device does not work in a way that assists me with my goal to be able to lucid dream regularly, I'll be as dismissive of it as you are. But not yet.

Originally Posted by SoulSearcherX

Leo, you didn't mention if your opinion was based on personal experience.

If your explanation for why it doesn't work is true, then logic would follow that you could not detect REM movement in the eyes by looking at a person's eyes while they sleep. However, this is a very easy thing to detect... because the eye lids move when the eyes do. So that logic simply doesn't hold. It doesn’t take a psychic to see eye lids move, so why should it take that for a motion sensor?[/b]

Yes.

This all makes sense. One can read it in the Brochure of the Nova Dreamer Piece of Crap.

That is why Laberge can sell so many of the pieces of crap, BECAUSE THE SALES PITCH MAKES SO MUCH SENSE.

But listen to me... I will say it again.... the Stupid Nova Dreamer has no goddam idea on earth when the eyes are fluttering under the eyelids. No crappy little sensor that he could wire in there and still make a 300% markup could possibly have that sensitivity and precision.

So grow up and stop helping these charlaton pickpockets by promoting their iffy products for them?

Let laberge tell his own stories. When these crappy things are tossed aside and people are cursed fpr having bilked away people's hard earned money, don't let it be yourself who is blamed. YOU didn't make any money off of them.

And, again, since you did not get my point the first time... the goal of these people is to find original patentable ideas. they don't have the work... they only need to sell. The THING can be absolute junk, but the Concept must be original so it can be patented, and the Sales Pitch must have logic and that sales pizzazz. And even the Worst Junk STILL has the benefit of the Placebo Effect for generating intial good word of mouth.

Just look at the Nova Dreamer. Half the people on this Page have been ripped off, but how few are willing to admit it because Laberge is some kind of Holy Saint of Lucid Dreaming. If he said that sleeping with your thumb up your ass would give you lucid dreams, well... we'd have a lot less nail-biters around here. And with the Placebo Effect, people would be raving about the results... for a week or two.

And then they would be left with that brown thumb and the bad taste in their mouths.

Originally Posted by Leo

So grow up and stop helping these charlaton pickpockets by promoting their iffy products for them?

Let laberge tell his own stories. When these crappy things are tossed aside and people are cursed fpr having bilked away people's hard earned money, don't let it be yourself who is blamed. YOU didn't make any money off of them.

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Leo,

Why are you telling me to grow up? Because I'm writing about my personal experiences of a device that I didn't pay for (which I already suggested that I would never pay for). Show me one sentence where I am doing something other than that. Now you are accusing me of trying to promote the device rather than just writing about borrowing one and telling what my initial impressions are. It's one of the grand ironies of the human condition that people have a tendency to hurl criticisms at others that would be accurately directed at themselves. You seem offended that I hold my old personal experience of greater value than the opinion of a single internet poster. Sorry, I am new to this forum and to this point I am unaware of the popular opinion of the nova dreamer. If the popular opinion is that it's a piece of crap, I'll discover it for myself soon enough. And if I agree, I will say so. I've got no interest in promoting the nova dreamer. Here's a clue: The fact that I haven't decided to throw an expensive device that my friend let me borrow in the trash is not an endorsement of the product. My friend did not have such a negative opinion of the device, he only said he found it too uncomfortable to sleep with. I'd suggest to you to step back, calm down, and express your opinion with maturity and class, instead of hurling insults. I'm sure you are capable of it. I do value opinions on the nova dreamer, but your opinion is considerably weakened by the ease to which you've resorted to being condescending. If the nova dreamer is a piece of crap, by all means let us know, but you don't need to be a pompous ass about it.

Originally Posted by SoulSearcherX

If the nova dreamer is a piece of crap, by all means let us know, but you don't need to be a pompous ass about it.
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Amen, SoulSearcher! Just wanted to second the notion that Leo shouldn't be a pompous ass.

Besides that, I've heard mixed reviews about the NovaDreamer's results. There is actually a forum on the Lucidity Institute's web site for people who have used or have questions about the NovaDreamer. You might want to check it out for other people's opinions. I think that people might even be active on that forum, even though the NovaDreamer isn't available from the Lucidity Institute anymore.

There are definitely ways to detect eye movement during sleep... that's why things like the NovaDreamer and DreamMaker work. Some things work better than others, and sometimes the devices need extra timers and stuff to make sure they don't interpret EVERY movement as eye movement. Another thing to make sure of if you have trouble getting the thing to go off is to take it into a dark room, put it on, close your eyes and move them back and forth. Then you'll at least know that it's picking up the movement. If that works with the NovaDreamer, I'd say Leo's argument is either completely unfounded or he got a bad device. They are electronics... some of them will have flaws.

I have a Nova Dreamer. It helped me with a few things. Becoming aware of dreaming was the best thing it did for me.


Though there is no REM detector in the darn thing. I got it on special for 200$ with a bunch of other helpfull dream helpers from Laberge. CD, Books, etc.

It woke me up, with the blinding lights after the 90 min timer goes off. I threw it aside and went back in my dreams after waking. I used it for a few weeks. I don't need it anymore. I would'nt say it's a piece of crap as it did help me. Though I got really pissed off at the REM detector claim of the vending web site (there is no REM detectors, just a timer) and the bright light waking me up.

Luckily enough, the timer triggered the blinking blinding lights while I was dreaming, waking me up in the process. This alone helped me become lucid in my dreams now. A dream detector it is not though though it did help. The good side: It's better than building one yourself. The bad side: is is not all what the vending site claimed it is.

So, to answer the original post. I got results in a few days (Dream consiousness and first full control dream; which I never had since). About the same amount of days it took me to figure out there is no REM detector in the darn thing.

So people actually pay a few hundred dollars for a light with a timer?

That has got to be the most stupidest thing I have ever heard.

Instead of wasting your money...
Maybe you should order some of my dream pills. They work!

Is a Novadreamer the same thing as a dreamlight?