Thread: The Ultimate Lucid Applications List

Originally Posted by JEBOman

I mean like look into 5th dimentional space and maybe mess with the laws of geometry, make some really cool stuff that isn't of the nature you'd normally see. Also you could completely change the outcome of any action you do, like you take a bite from an apple and it gets larger.[/b]

i'm not saying that it isn't possible but at the end of the day, looking into the 5th dimention wouldn't be for real, only your interpretation of the 5th dimention, cool idea though, well worth a try!

Originally Posted by lucid_seeker

i'm not saying that it isn't possible but at the end of the day, looking into the 5th dimention wouldn't be for real, only your interpretation of the 5th dimention, cool idea though, well worth a try![/b]

Uhhh, what?

I mean, I share your belief that it could be entirely imaginary. But I disagree that a dreamview of the 5th dimension would necessarily be ONLY imaginary.

For one thing, how do you know? How would you know?

But I believe more and more that really, us looking at the 3rd dimension is only imaginary. Not that I'm saying reality is ultimately not there, but I think that our view of the world is a "biological interpretation." What's amazing about dreams is that it's entirely possible that we can transcend our biological apparatus for perceiving reality. Maybe in dreams we can actually perceive five dimensions.

The biggest problem of course is that in normal reality, a chair looks like a chair to everybody. As near as we can possibly tell with all the experiments and reasoning and experience we can think of, we all perceive normal reality pretty much the same way. Once we get into "perceiving the 5th dimension in dreams" of course, our perception is far more subjective. Which is not to say "totally imaginary" - but our way of interpreting reality will change for the person.

Since the 5th dimension would be unfamiliar, I believe I would choose a different model or metaphor than would a different person.

At least, that's how it would work if it's possible to perceive reality in dreams. I admit from beginning to end that it is entirely possible that all dreams are just imaginary and invented.

I don't like how you said, "it wouldn't be for real." I did like that you said "I'm not saying it's impossible." Very wise addition. I just don't believe that really, our perceptions of color are for real. It is just one way of interpreting things. A species from a different planet could perceive color as a sound and sound as a color. Everything we perceive is "just a way of representing reality", it's a metaphor.

le Chevalier Violet

The Purple Knight

Originally Posted by chevalier_violet

Uhhh, what?

I mean, I share your belief that it could be entirely imaginary. But I disagree that a dreamview of the 5th dimension would necessarily be ONLY imaginary.

For one thing, how do you know? How would you know?

But I believe more and more that really, us looking at the 3rd dimension is only imaginary. Not that I'm saying reality is ultimately not there, but I think that our view of the world is a "biological interpretation." What's amazing about dreams is that it's entirely possible that we can transcend our biological apparatus for perceiving reality. Maybe in dreams we can actually perceive five dimensions.

The biggest problem of course is that in normal reality, a chair looks like a chair to everybody. As near as we can possibly tell with all the experiments and reasoning and experience we can think of, we all perceive normal reality pretty much the same way. Once we get into "perceiving the 5th dimension in dreams" of course, our perception is far more subjective. Which is not to say "totally imaginary" - but our way of interpreting reality will change for the person.

Since the 5th dimension would be unfamiliar, I believe I would choose a different model or metaphor than would a different person.

At least, that's how it would work if it's possible to perceive reality in dreams. I admit from beginning to end that it is entirely possible that all dreams are just imaginary and invented.

I don't like how you said, "it wouldn't be for real." I did like that you said "I'm not saying it's impossible." Very wise addition. I just don't believe that really, our perceptions of color are for real. It is just one way of interpreting things. A species from a different planet could perceive color as a sound and sound as a color. Everything we perceive is "just a way of representing reality", it's a metaphor.

le Chevalier Violet

The Purple Knight[/b]

now thats an argument lol, i don't think i'm going to be able to compete with that, and you do make some good points about it, i suppose i didn't think that one through entirely, maybe it could be possible, it all depends on how far the brains capability can stretch in a LD, i see what you mean now about it.