Thread: Weird Lucid Dream Logic

hahah yeah, it seems like while your dreaming your actual waking mind has little input on whats happening and if an idea is presented (like your teleportation device) then your subconcious mind will come up for a reason for it to be there and you will accept the idea and push it off. Thats the thing with lucid dreaming, if you question everything, then you will pick up on things like this, and have more control over your dreams.

Yeah, I had a similar thing happen to me. Although it carried through to my waking life; Back when I still had my playstation, I dreampt (non lucidly) that I had two controllers, and I spent ages searching for another one in my room. It took hours before I realsied that I only had one.

The same thing happened more recently, where I had a lucid dream where I had a 1969 Ford Shelby Mustang. It didn't seem weird at all in the dream, I just walked outside and there it was. I walked over opened the door and sat inside as though it was totally normal. It wasn't until I woke up that I realised how stupid that was. I never intended to make the Mustang appear on purpose, I just walked outside and it was as though I had owned it for real the whole time.

Originally Posted by psycho_supreme

hahah yeah, it seems like while your dreaming your actual waking mind has little input on whats happening and if an idea is presented (like your teleportation device) then your subconcious mind will come up for a reason for it to be there and you will accept the idea and push it off. Thats the thing with lucid dreaming, if you question everything, then you will pick up on things like this, and have more control over your dreams.
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The thing is at the time this happened I was already lucid. That's why it struck me as so odd that even though I was lucid, I completely accepted that this teleportation device had always been there.

I can't think of a good example right now, but my lucid self is pretty stupid too.
If I think of a good example I'll post it.

Originally Posted by megabenman

I can't think of a good example right now, but my lucid self is pretty stupid too.
If I think of a good example I'll post it.
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I wouldn't call it so much stupid as different. One of the things I have great difficulty with is deciding what to do once I become lucid. I literally have endless possibilities spread before me and if I don't intervene I will likely end up doing something pretty boring and mundane. My solution to this is to plan what I intend to do beforehand to a certain degree. I don't plan it completely as I like there to be a certain spontaneity. Planning like this works for me. Again, I don't look my lucid self as being stupid, just completely different. For instance, my dream self can fly, my real self cannot. My real self can decide spontaneously what to do, my dream self not so much. They are both me, but in each case they are bound by different realities. That's how I feel anyway.

Originally Posted by megabenman

I can't think of a good example right now, but my lucid self is pretty stupid too.
If I think of a good example I'll post it.
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Dreaming is when your Subconcious Mind is playing mayor tricks on you, making you believe, see hear feel and completely experience being somewhere else while in Reality you're lying in Bed asleep.

Now I've had this happen to me too. Eventhough I was Lucid in a Dream, My Subconcious Mind still managed to fool my Lucid Self a couple of times, sometimes leading in Loosing Lucidity and sometimes being very distractive so it gives me a real hard time to focus on what I want to do in my Lucid Dream.
I guess your Lucidity was rather low. Your attention, alertness and awareness-level is supposed to be high in a lucid Dream, as it is in waking life. But sometimes we become Lucid and experience nly low Lucidity: If you'd have been highly Lucid You'd have picked up that Teleportation-Device Dreamsign...But I guess you must have lost your alertness for a sec as you were probably being distracted by the everflowing stream of thoughts and feelings of the Dreaming Mind.

Happens to me too ocasionally. Nothing to worry about: something to work on. To make your Conciousness and ability to focus undisturbed attention in Lucid Dreams stronger.
Try Meditating and Emptying & Focussing your Mind on one single Object ( A Dice will do ) and keep your Mind on that Object WITHOUT being distracted by Distractive thoughts. They are the same distractive thoughts as experienced in dreams. Only in dreams we are totally carried away by them, immersed in them and drifting on them. Try N visualise the Dice if that helps keeping your full attention focussed undisturbed on the Dice. Maybe putting a Dice some 1,5 meters away from your eyes at eyeheight and staring at it while you focus your attention on it helps. Figure out what works best.

This is a good way of training your Attention and Conciousness: Desirable for Lucid Dreaming.

Originally Posted by Leixor

I had a really awesome lucid dream last night. You can read about it here if you like. The question I have is at one point I was attempting to summon a teleportation device. After failing but then stumbling upon one that happened to be nearby anyway I remember thinking to myself "Oh duh! Why was I trying to summon one, there's always one right here!" The setting at the point was in my backyard. Now obviously there is NOT a teleporter in my backyard, nor has there ever been in any dream that I recall. I stayed lucid, but I completely accepted that there was, and had always been a teleportation device there. My question is, anyone else ever have an experience like this?
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Dream Memory is great. I think, now that you describe your own situation, that Dream Memory is more than just Dream Memory. What happens when we begin to 'remember' anything in a dream, we are actually running through our minds finding every association. Thinking and Problem Solving is done by Memory.

In your case the Problem was not having a Teleportation Machine. So you 'remembered' one.

This could be very useful to know, that we are wasting our time to "think" in a dream when we should do what does work, even if it works strangely, and that is to "remember".

The Ancients used to say the same thing... that the idea was not to 'think' but to 'remember'. I always thought it was so much clique Ancient Bullshit. But they may have been talking about dreams, and Dream Logic.

Originally Posted by SKA

Dreaming is when your Subconcious Mind is playing mayor tricks on you, making you believe, see hear feel and completely experience being somewhere else while in Reality you're lying in Bed asleep.

Now I've had this happen to me too. Eventhough I was Lucid in a Dream, My Subconcious Mind still managed to fool my Lucid Self a couple of times, sometimes leading in Loosing Lucidity and sometimes being very distractive so it gives me a real hard time to focus on what I want to do in my Lucid Dream.
I guess your Lucidity was rather low. Your attention, alertness and awareness-level is supposed to be high in a lucid Dream, as it is in waking life. But sometimes we become Lucid and experience nly low Lucidity: If you'd have been highly Lucid You'd have picked up that Teleportation-Device Dreamsign...But I guess you must have lost your alertness for a sec as you were probably being distracted by the everflowing stream of thoughts and feelings of the Dreaming Mind.

Happens to me too ocasionally. Nothing to worry about: something to work on. To make your Conciousness and ability to focus undisturbed attention in Lucid Dreams stronger.
Try Meditating and Emptying & Focussing your Mind on one single Object ( A Dice will do ) and keep your Mind on that Object WITHOUT being distracted by Distractive thoughts. They are the same distractive thoughts as experienced in dreams. Only in dreams we are totally carried away by them, immersed in them and drifting on them. Try N visualise the Dice if that helps keeping your full attention focussed undisturbed on the Dice. Maybe putting a Dice some 1,5 meters away from your eyes at eyeheight and staring at it while you focus your attention on it helps. Figure out what works best.

This is a good way of training your Attention and Conciousness: Desirable for Lucid Dreaming.
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Low level lucidity eh. Maybe so. That particular dream was SO realistic, probably the most realistic lucid dream I've had thus far. Then again I suppose realism has nothing to do with lucidity. Even still I am glad my subconcious tricked me into remembering a teleporter device that wasn't there. Without it I may never have ended up where I did. In fact you may be correct in that I lost lucidity for a split second. I was so pleasantly surprised at finding this teleportation device, because it meant I could change the dreamscape, that I completely failed to question where it came from. I suppose I can make an analogy to that. If I was in a burning building in real life, attempting to escape, and came upon a fire escape I had never noticed before, I seriously doubt the first thing I would think is "Wait now where did this come from?". Rather first I would get out of the building, then perhaps later qustion it. I suppose that is indicative of a sort of "one track thought process". That is, in the burning building scenario, getting out of the building to safety is priority number one, and all else comes secondly. Perhaps that is what occured in my dream. Getting to the setting I wanted to be in was all that I wanted, all that I thought about. This one track thinking caused me to neglect to question certain things. The teleportation device for one. Another thing I failed to mention was that in this dream I flew. Flying is something I had been having great difficulty with lately. In this dream I flew quite easily. I actually remember thinking at one point "Hey I can fly well now! I wonder why... eh nevermind I just can"

Originally Posted by SKA

Dream Memory is great. I think, now that you describe your own situation, that Dream Memory is more than just Dream Memory. What happens when we begin to 'remember' anything in a dream, we are actually running through our minds finding every association. Thinking and Problem Solving is done by Memory.

In your case the Problem was not having a Teleportation Machine. So you 'remembered' one.

This could be very useful to know, that we are wasting our time to "think" in a dream when we should do what does work, even if it works strangely, and that is to "remember".

The Ancients used to say the same thing... that the idea was not to 'think' but to 'remember'. I always thought it was so much clique Ancient Bullshit. But they may have been talking about dreams, and Dream Logic.
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There is a certain logic behind that. It was really difficult for me to believe that I could summon a teleportation device because it's not something I can do in real life. Something I CAN do in real life is forget things. Thus by my subconcious tricking me into thinking I had forgotten what existed all along, it was much easier for me to accept that here was a working teleportation device. Maybe, I don't know.

when i get lucid i accept everything around me, i dont really care whats there and whats not because i can change it by clicking my fingers...but in those sort of situations as your mind created and its what you want you dont really have any need to question it...

Ah yes, in my dreams alot of weird things seem logic...

The really crappy thing is when I get really irritated in my dream becouse I feel powerless to do something that I know is small or even non-existant yet it irritates the hell out of me. Becouse in my dreams, it's logic to have-to-do-that. Whatever it is.. yeah I know, vague =)

Anyhow, often It can be pretty funny in retrospect, like the normal teleporter in your backyard. ^__^ Some extra doors in my house tot non-existant rooms never surprise me eighter