Such A Very Interesting Thing

[mrToad]

yes, to stand up out of a dream bed and get acquianted with this reality that is in your head. to know it is a dream, to look at your hands--they look just like your hands. beautiful creation hands are. but you know you have to keep your mind on one fact, that this is a dream, and not to wander off in thought. no, pay attention to the here and now. yes, to wander thru a house that is not yours, to look down halls and wonder what is behind each door. to find your way outside and realize you can jump exteremely high, or do flips gracefully in slow motion, arms out-stretched, feeling the suspension of your body, feet flailing up behind you, back arched. feeling the motion. landing gracefully. in dream or in the actual world, it is beautiful to see the branches of trees with evening light on all the details of leaves and acorns and twigs. such angled light that it is twilight yellow-orange, golden. it is amazing how real the imagination can be, especially in this state. when it all went out like someone pulled the plug, there was no time to spin or look at my hands or think twice...gone. it just all left with a bit of thought remaining, hanging out in the middle of bummed nowhere--"aww, man." when it all goes out i wake up and i feel everything flee from me. with practice, can it be retained? i wrote in my notebook how i wish it wasn't pushed into the subconscience so immediately, so deeply. i remember times past when i woke from vivid non-lucid dreams that hardly seemed to go anywhere. they just linger on your skin, memories full of detail. the experience, when it remains fresh, lets you believe the experience of dreams is worth while, not so fleeting! can it be fully retained? there's another question i have. it is so necessarily about the senses and avoidant of thought or reflection. or is it possible to reflect? to ponder different things? i mean we can do it in when we're not in bed, but sometimes we're stressed or concerned with many things, or just foggy headed. (such as i have a form of ADD). so i wonder if it's possible to bring your mind up to a similar state of conscienceness as when you're up and about. or even higher because of being attuned to meditation soley, nothing else. tho unfortunately i'm sure not everyone would be interested, it would be nice to see ourselves. to have an inner vision of our place in time, in the great moving universe, and what our values are, and who we are, and what we are doing with our life. perhaps to come to some realization that it really does mean a lot to us to have some questions answered, questions we've been holding in the back of our minds for so long. but it seems, to keep everything from going back to the wash of random sub-conscience theatre, we have to focus on the senses of the visual dreamworld. or, is there no limit? thanks for reading :]

[King GEO]

Can't really help with your questions but I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed reading that post, it was very poetic. Keep it up!

[mrToad]

yea, i understand the difference between lucidity and how vivid it is, thanks to reading posts on this board actually. it seems like even if you wake right after the dream, you're a hundred thousand miles from the experience. i remember the details, but it's not quite the same as if i'd really just been transported from there to here. i mean, it's not quite as retained as if i really had just experienced it all. anyway no big deal. i'm sure it depends on continuous practice. well i have ADD, attention deficit disorder. it's a label a lot of people slap on themselves, i know. it'd be easier described as (even with good sleep) just sometimes a difficulty focusing on anything durring the day. unless i over-focus, which tends to leave you exhausted after awhile. i think it'd be nice to have the nights, the REM sleep, to wake up and reflect on things. i mean running around a dreamworld and flying is fun. but to ponder, and even draw some conclusions. that would be neat. but it would require at least as much clarity as our day-to-day conscienceness. thanks for the replies, both of you. :]

[FreeOne]

lucid dreams can be forgotten like any other dreams. I almost forgot one of mine once but i remembered in the end

[JaphyR]

lucid dreams can be forgotten like any other dreams. [/b] I was wondering about that, actually. I wonder if people remember their ld's more than their non-ld's. I've been keeping a dream journal the last month or so, and I have pretty good dream recall when I write immediately at waking. Even if I wake up with no dream recall, I can sit there and bring the dreams to mind, usually 3 or 4 a night. But when I have a lucid dream, I wake up bug-eyed, with the dream clearly in mind. I've written them down so far, so I haven't tested whether they would fade or not, but I was wondering if people who don't journal consistently find that their lucid dreams fade less quickly than their non-lucid dreams.

[Zilon]

I think that you'ld remember it at about the same level as you would real life, for the same approximate time, maybe a bit less. This is beacause you are conscious, and so you take in everything as if it were real life. The lenght that you remember it really depends on how interesting the dream was, and how many you've had that are like it. For example, I can't remember a specific day at school from a year ago, there are loads of days that are completly forgotton, and that I'll never remember. But then again, there are some days I remember vividly because of something that happened that day. I think, after you've had quite a few lucid dreams, and if you do the same sort of thing, you won't remember specific details, (just as in realy life), but you will remember them a lot better than normal dreams.

[Moonbeam]

lucid dreams can be forgotten like any other dreams. I almost forgot one of mine once but i remembered in the end [/b] Yea I have almost forgotten them; actually I did forget my really good long FIlD because I didn't write it down right away. Can't really help with your questions but I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed reading that post, it was very poetic. Keep it up! [/b] I concur. You really captured some feelings I have had too, and your questions....I wish I knew!