Thread: How Has Lucid Dreaming Changed You As A Person

Originally Posted by rosephase

You know some people might call the subconscious "new-age crap".
I'm not one of them but, there is a point in that somewhere.
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Oh, no, the subconscious is DEFINITELY not new-age crap. Basic psychology, the subconscious is a very important concept. That's not what I was sayign at ALL.

But "soul" and "energy" are new age crap, in my opinion. I DON'T associate either with the subconscious, which is a very important psychological concept.

Originally Posted by The

Oh, no, the subconscious is DEFINITELY not new-age crap. Basic psychology, the subconscious is a very important concept. That's not what I was sayign at ALL.

But "soul" and "energy" are new age crap, in my opinion. I DON'T associate either with the subconscious, which is a very important psychological concept.
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But a "psychological concept" isn't a concrete idea. It doesn’t exists you can't touch it and there are many people who don't believe in it. Just because the books you've read say it's a real thing doesn’t mean it is. (Once again I'm with you on this one but I thought I would bring it up because you say you’re blunt I might as well be to)

I also hate smilies but I will use one now to show I'm not flaming

Originally Posted by rosephase

I also hate smilies but I will use one now to show I'm not flaming [/b]

Flaming? Nah, "flaming" doesn&#39;t really happen on DV all that much. And SMILIES? You can&#39;t POSSIBLY not like this guy: or &#33;?&#33;?&#33; And <---just plainly the best smiley ever.

As for a "psychological concept" not being a concrete idea - wrong. It may not be a tangible physical thing, but it&#39;s just as true as a scientific theory. And in the case of the subconcious, it&#39;s more than a theory. It has been conclusively PROVEN that more goes on in the brain that we are not conscious of and do not "attend" to. It is absolutely certain that a huge bunch of stuff goes on in our heads that we are not consciously aware of - a "subconscious".

A "soul" or funky new-age "energy" on the other hand, not only has no convincing scientific evidence, and is simply not needed to explain anything, so, again

*SLASH*

Occam&#39;s Razor.

(Note to self: I need to buy a fancy engraved 18th century men&#39;s shaving razor, and put it on a little decorative wooden stand, with a tiny brass plaque that says "Occam&#39;s Razor". I think that&#39;d be very cool.)

This is from the very 2nd paragraph form wikipedia about the subconscious.

"At the present stage, there are still fundamental disagreements within psychology about the nature of the subconscious mind (if indeed it is considered to exist at all), whereas outside formal psychology a whole world of pop-psychological speculation has grown up in which the unconscious mind is held to have any number of properties and abilities, from animalistic and innocent, child-like aspects to savant-like, all-perceiving, mystical and occultic properties."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subconscious

And I would like to say I&#39;m with you all the way I got into this thing to understand my subconscious better

And your right about one thing, I found a smiley I liked.

Originally Posted by rosephase

"At the present stage, there are still fundamental disagreements within psychology about the nature of the subconscious mind (if indeed it is considered to exist at all), whereas outside formal psychology a whole world of pop-psychological speculation has grown up in which the unconscious mind is held to have any number of properties and abilities, from animalistic and innocent, child-like aspects to savant-like, all-perceiving, mystical and occultic properties."[/b]

Good quote, but, it&#39;s misleading. Note in the first sentence that "there are still fundamental disagreements within psychology about the nature of the subconscious mind". Sure, definitely. But the BRACKETED COMMENT "(if indeed it is considered to exist at all)" is ambiguous not only in meaning, but ALSO it is likely an addition of the person writing the Wikipedia entry rather than the sources he is working from, if any at all.

The moral of the story? Don&#39;t trust Wikipedia, it&#39;s frequently inaccurate, often misleading, and we know nothing about which anonymous contributors actually write the entries.

ON THE OTHER HAND, the Oxford English Dictionary defines subconscious (noun) as:

"The part of the mind which influences actions etc. without one&#39;s full awareness."

Now while I can certainly accept that it may not be absolutely certain the full nature and function of the human subconscious, it is ABSOLUTELY proven to exist. Examples:

• Our breathing is regulated and controlled without our being fully aware of this process of controlling, unless we pay conscious attention to it.
• When we are sitting in a room with multiple conversations and only paying attention to one (this is called the "cocktail party effect") we cannot consciously hear what is being said in conversations other than the one our attention is directed at, but yet if somebody in one of these "unattended" conversations mentions our name, our mind will register this, EVEN THOUGH we are not paying conscious attention to the conversation, and we will notice it and our attention will switch to that conversation.
• Blinking. Unless we consciously attempt to control blinking, it is regulated on a subconscious level.
• Depth perception. We are not conscious of the visual cues and system of processing that our mind uses to perceive depth, but we recognise the end result. All this "working out" happens behind the scenes on a subconscious level.
• Many, many, many more examples.

It is proven, as certain as the theory of gravity, that more goes on in our minds than we are conscious or aware of. This is, BY DEFINITION, the "subconscious". Though it&#39;s nature and function might be uncertain in some respects, it incontrovertably exists and is an important part of the human mind - I would argue, MUCH moreso than the conscious. We can live without being conscious - but we cannot live without our subconscious. The subconscious functioning that keeps our body alive is absolutely essential.

WIKIPEDIA IS WRONG

Point-blank, whoever wrote that entry is wrong. It&#39;s incorrect and misleading.

Originally Posted by The

Good quote, but, it&#39;s misleading. Note in the first sentence that "there are still fundamental disagreements within psychology about the nature of the subconscious mind". Sure, definitely. But the BRACKETED COMMENT "(if indeed it is considered to exist at all)" is ambiguous not only in meaning, but ALSO it is likely an addition of the person writing the Wikipedia entry rather than the sources he is working from, if any at all.

The moral of the story? Don&#39;t trust Wikipedia, it&#39;s frequently inaccurate, often misleading, and we know nothing about which anonymous contributors actually write the entries.

ON THE OTHER HAND, the Oxford English Dictionary defines subconscious (noun) as:

"The part of the mind which influences actions etc. without one&#39;s full awareness."

Now while I can certainly accept that it may not be absolutely certain the full nature and function of the human subconscious, it is ABSOLUTELY proven to exist. Examples:

• Our breathing is regulated and controlled without our being fully aware of this process of controlling, unless we pay conscious attention to it.
• When we are sitting in a room with multiple conversations and only paying attention to one (this is called the "cocktail party effect") we cannot consciously hear what is being said in conversations other than the one our attention is directed at, but yet if somebody in one of these "unattended" conversations mentions our name, our mind will register this, EVEN THOUGH we are not paying conscious attention to the conversation, and we will notice it and our attention will switch to that conversation.
• Blinking. Unless we consciously attempt to control blinking, it is regulated on a subconscious level.
• Depth perception. We are not conscious of the visual cues and system of processing that our mind uses to perceive depth, but we recognise the end result. All this "working out" happens behind the scenes on a subconscious level.
• Many, many, many more examples.

It is proven, as certain as the theory of gravity, that more goes on in our minds than we are conscious or aware of. This is, BY DEFINITION, the "subconscious". Though it&#39;s nature and function might be uncertain in some respects, it incontrovertably exists and is an important part of the human mind - I would argue, MUCH moreso than the conscious. We can live without being conscious - but we cannot live without our subconscious. The subconscious functioning that keeps our body alive is absolutely essential.

WIKIPEDIA IS WRONG

Point-blank, whoever wrote that entry is wrong. It&#39;s incorrect and misleading.
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Ahh see what you are talking about is th unconscious mind. That is what controls breathing and blinking. Which is very different form the theory of the subconscious mind.

Lucid dreaming has greatly improved my dream recall. It has given me a possible career choice- a stuider of dreams&#33;
I have something to talk about (and to do this year&#39;s speech&#33

Its removed me bad dreams&#33; I used to have bad dreams, recurring nightmares etc

I can confuse people more easily

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Thanks for the amazing posts to my question. I have really been touched bu all of them.

Meanie, Rose, as interesting as your converstion is, its throwing the flow of this topic way off.


thats my favorite smiley.

Originally Posted by aoneironaut

Meanie, Rose, as interesting as your converstion is, its throwing the flow of this topic way off.[/b]

Fair enough. Let&#39;s say for now that I disagree with rosephase, but, let&#39;s get back on topic. Muchos sorry for hijacking the thread.