Thread: How Does One Get Rid Of Lucid Dreams - Newbie

why not try to set a triger in your dream stat to ristrict your lucid dreams? Tell your mind that you will not have a lucid dream in a lucid dream, and see if it works.

Another option is to "let go" of your control when dreaming, and ... well, I'm not sure how to say this, but think of it this way: You let things happen in the dream.

Now, the dreams trying to make you beleive them might actually help you, as if you exept them as real, then it becomes easier to let go (or so I would imagine)

good luck

For some reason, I don't believe what you're telling us.

Anyway, if you really are telling us the truth, then try making your dreams unreal, so that you can tell the difference.

Hi melindak.
Very interesting indeed. All this effort trying to seek dream control and to think adversely to that.?
That's tough. Can you unconditioned your thought process as we have tried to condition ours?

To a degree I had a brief stint of lucid dreams that were so remarkably real that it was a little opaque between reality and dreaming sometimes. My dreams had no surrealism to them. This was scary to me. So I think if it was anything like that I can relate a little. And to have them every night?

How do you interact with dream characters and what is your belief in a dream character?
How well do you sleep?

Just a couple of questions so I can try to help a bit more.

Originally Posted by Keeper

why not try to set a triger in your dream stat to ristrict your lucid dreams? Tell your mind that you will not have a lucid dream in a lucid dream, and see if it works.

Another option is to "let go" of your control when dreaming, and ... well, I'm not sure how to say this, but think of it this way: You let things happen in the dream.

Now, the dreams trying to make you beleive them might actually help you, as if you exept them as real, then it becomes easier to let go (or so I would imagine)

good luck
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Those are good suggestions and I have never tried to let the dream "just" happen as it will. Instead it seems I'm always trying to "prove" it's a dream by controling it. I may try that. I know that sometime when I try to control it, things change but not the way I asked it to...for instance if I tell a house to be white that is black in my dream, it turns colors but not the color I tell it to if that makes sense. I guess in my dreams it's more like a game of control with me versus my dreams.

Originally Posted by Keeper

For some reason, I don't believe what you're telling us.

Anyway, if you really are telling us the truth, then try making your dreams unreal, so that you can tell the difference.
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uhhh ok. Not sure what to say to the first remark. Maybe I make up things so I "sound" insane for the fun of it??

However your last remark sounds quite interesting. the last arguement I had with a dream character was over whether or not my dream was a dream or real. It was about an animal that was 2 animals in one which instantly triggered my "this is a dream" mode. I told the person in my dream that none of this is real and the person argued with me trying to convince me it was. I explained that in real life animals don't look like that and his response was "This animal was scientific altered to look this way, and it is compoletly normal" and so the arguement continues through the night over who is right lol.

Originally Posted by melindak

Hello all. I googled lucid dreams and this forum came up. I read through some of your lucid dreams post and saw that many of you are trying to achieve this. However I have had lucid dreams every single night during every dream for the past 25 years and I want out lol!!!! I actually have an appointment with a sleep specialist on Monday. Because I remember every single dream and can easily control them, my dreams have started trying to "trick" me into making me believe they are real. This has created more realistic dreams which has me confused during the day whether something that happend, happend for real or did I dream it. I feel like I'm living in a fog of reality and have major dejavu at least once a week. Soemtime the dejavu is so strong that I know what is going to happend before it happends because I am "playing the movie" in my head about 5 seconds before it happends. In other words, I'm going nutts here thanks to my lucid dreams that started around age 5 when I found a way to control my dreams to avoid nightmares. Has anyone been affected in the same way by there lucid dreams?
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I don't mean to insult you, but I'm having a little trouble with believing this whole thing, also.
How do you know you're remembering every single dream when the opposite of remembering them is forgetting you ever had them, in the first place? You said your dreams started tricking you into making you believe they are real life because you have full control over them. If they are tricking you into believing they are real, that means your trouble is coming from losing your ability to lucid dream because lucid dreaming simply means "knowing you're dreaming."
Maybe it's just a misunderstanding, I don't know.
But if you're having a hard time believing that your dreams aren't just dreams, you're not having a problem with lucid dreaming. It sounds like you're having with realistic non-lucid dreams, in which you have full control of your actions (which are much more common than lucid dreams - with me, specifically) and you are having trouble telling them apart from waking-world reality, in which you also have full control of your actions.
If this were all lucid dreams, that were giving you trouble, you'd have no problem because you know "through every dream, during every night" that nothing is real because you are only dreaming. Let me know if I'm getting the wrong idea.

Originally Posted by Howetzer

Hi melindak.
Very interesting indeed. All this effort trying to seek dream control and to think adversely to that.?
That's tough. Can you unconditioned your thought process as we have tried to condition ours?

To a degree I had a brief stint of lucid dreams that were so remarkably real that it was a little opaque between reality and dreaming sometimes. My dreams had no surrealism to them. This was scary to me. So I think if it was anything like that I can relate a little. And to have them every night?

How do you interact with dream characters and what is your belief in a dream character?
How well do you sleep?

Just a couple of questions so I can try to help a bit more.
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I think I should first clarify why I have these dreams. My intention was never to have lucid dreams. as a young child I was having a reaccuring nightmare that would progress more and more everytime I dreamed it. I knew that the next time I went to sleep the "bear in heaven was going to eat me" because that was where the dream had lead up to. So I told my Mom that I was scared to go to sleep because of the nightmare. She told me to go to bed saying over and over in my head "that's it's only a dream." well the dream came and in my head I had a song and it was me saying what my Mother had told me to say. so here I am standing in my dream singing this song (mind you, I'm only about 6 years old) and I start questioning whether it was possible that I really was dreaming. Then I started testing it by coloring things different colors. At first the colors would change but not the colors I wanted as in the "house" story I previously mentioned. everynight I went to bed singing the "it's only a dream" song and after about a month or so, all of my dreams were lucid. when my Mother asked me about the nightmare, I told her that "if I have a nightmare now, I just change the channels" lol. Funny how a young child thinks.

qoute and response: My dreams had no surrealism to them. This was scary to me. So I think if it was anything like that I can relate a little. And to have them every night?

my dreams aren't usually realistic per say but the characters are always trying to get me to believe they are. However when they are realistic or at least parts of them are, I get confused during the day whether it actually happend. Now, the confusion almost always takes place when the dream is in "real present time," or in other words, about things that are currently going on in my life right now.

qoute and response: How do you interact with dream characters and what is your belief in a dream character?
How well do you sleep?

I make the characters in my dreams do what I want them to. For instance in intimate dreams, I make the guy look the way I want him to and in scary dreams, like if I'm being chased I make the bad guy trip. There are times when I die in the dream and I can actually "rewind" to when I was alive and "do over" so that I live.

I'm a very light sleeper, anything and everything wakes me up. I guess because in a way, I'm not really asleep.

Thakns for taking the time to help me with this. I promise I'm not crazy and I would never share this info with anyone in person in fear I would be viewed as a nutt. I really am here to get advice and help from anyone who may have shared some of these experiences.

I too am having trouble believing that you have a problem of not being able to get rid of lucidity. Oneironaut had a really good insight into the contradictory nature of what you illustrated. Like he said, what you described is a problem of not knowing that you are dreaming. But if the problem actually does have to do with knowing you are dreaming but not being able to know when you are in the waking world, then try what Marvo said. Make your dreams seem very unreal. Try flying, making the walls melt, causing people to appear and blast off into space, etc. Then when you try that stuff when you are awake, you can easily see that you are not dreaming. Read about reality checks in the tutorials. Those will solve everything.

However your last remark sounds quite interesting. the last arguement I had with a dream character was over whether or not my dream was a dream or real. It was about an animal that was 2 animals in one which instantly triggered my "this is a dream" mode. I told the person in my dream that none of this is real and the person argued with me trying to convince me it was. I explained that in real life animals don't look like that and his response was "This animal was scientific altered to look this way, and it is compoletly normal" and so the arguement continues through the night over who is right lol.[/b]

OK. The reason I ask is I was interested to see if we were on the same page as to how we look at characteristics of a dream. As some people think it may be heaven sent, a deceased person or what have you.
So at any rate, since you do believe that it is just a construct of your mind you are in a sense interacting with your subconscious. Via your subconscious you can request or ask through different aspects of your dream to let go of your lucidity.
Many people have difficulties getting power over their dreams because they demand it. I think at times the subconscious does not work well in that manner.
Possibly in a reverse attempt, you too could try a subtle approach by interaction through asking and questioning your subconscious.
This is how I got the most out of lucid dreaming. Maybe it can get you OUT in a literal sense.

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If they are tricking you into believing they are real, that means your trouble is coming from losing your ability to lucid dream because lucid dreaming simply means "knowing you&#39;re dreaming."
Maybe it&#39;s just a misunderstanding, I don&#39;t know.[/b]

If this is anything like what I experienced for that brief period Onironaut, it is very difficult to explain. You have the utmost awareness and you realize it is a dream. But for what ever reason (lack of confidence, brain structure..who knows) you are in a realistic scene yet cannot administer control. It is like you are stuck.
I have a post about it some where. Maybe I can find it. Through the search method..yaa right.

Lastly, and I almost hate to even go this route, (but insanity is not good either ) There are sleeping aides that also decrease dream recall. If you do not have trouble sleeping I don&#39;t know if I would go this route. Even if you did there are medications, herbs or supplements that are not addictive.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I don&#39;t mean to insult you, but I&#39;m having a little trouble with believing this whole thing, also.
How do you know you&#39;re remembering every single dream when the opposite of remembering them is forgetting you ever had them, in the first place? You said your dreams started tricking you into making you believe they are real life because you have full control over them. If they are tricking you into believing they are real, that means your trouble is coming from losing your ability to lucid dream because lucid dreaming simply means "knowing you&#39;re dreaming."
Maybe it&#39;s just a misunderstanding, I don&#39;t know.
But if you&#39;re having a hard time believing that your dreams aren&#39;t just dreams, you&#39;re not having a problem with lucid dreaming. It sounds like you&#39;re having with realistic non-lucid dreams, in which you have full control of your actions (which are much more common than lucid dreams - with me, specifically) and you are having trouble telling them apart from waking-world reality, in which you also have full control of your actions.
If this were all lucid dreams, that were giving you trouble, you&#39;d have no problem because you know "through every dream, during every night" that nothing is real because you are only dreaming. Let me know if I&#39;m getting the wrong idea.
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I&#39;m sorry I&#39;m coming off as not believable and if this is the case that I&#39;m not making sense then that implys to me that no one has shared these same problems as i and that maybe this is not the best place to get answers. When I say I remember my dreams it means that when I awake I can account for what I dreamed that night. It doesn&#39;t mean that a week later I still remember them all. some dreams I do remember forever it seems and others I forget after about 30 minutes of waking up. Im my dreams I can control my actions as well as actions of the dreams so if that&#39;s not lucid dreaming then maybe I&#39;m calling it the wrong thing. In my dreams I know they are dreams but not until something odd happends that doesn&#39;t happen in real life. So in other words my dream may be normal for a while and I do not know I&#39;m dreaming at that time. When something unnormal happends, it triggers me to knowing that it&#39;s a dream and from then on during the rest of the dream, I know I&#39;m dreaming and I "have fun" with it. What happends during the day is I&#39;ll ask a friend how her divorce is going (this is just a for instance) and she&#39;ll say "what divorce?" Then I reply "I&#39;m sorry I must have dreamed you were getting divorced" then I start feeling really bad and like I&#39;m going nutts because my friend getting a divorce was so real to me in the dream that I thought it really did take place. Sure I could solve this problem if when I awoke I wrote down everything I dreamed about so I would remember what was fiction but that would be a hassel in itself. I just want to learn to dream like normal people "I think." Granted being able to control your dreams is ALOT of fun but this daytime fog I&#39;m in is only getting worse. Oh and I&#39;m not sure if the dejavu is a result of the dreams or not but I wish they would go away completely&#33;

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I don&#39;t mean to insult you, but I&#39;m having a little trouble with believing this whole thing, also.
How do you know you&#39;re remembering every single dream when the opposite of remembering them is forgetting you ever had them, in the first place? You said your dreams started tricking you into making you believe they are real life because you have full control over them. If they are tricking you into believing they are real, that means your trouble is coming from losing your ability to lucid dream because lucid dreaming simply means "knowing you&#39;re dreaming."
Maybe it&#39;s just a misunderstanding, I don&#39;t know.
But if you&#39;re having a hard time believing that your dreams aren&#39;t just dreams, you&#39;re not having a problem with lucid dreaming. It sounds like you&#39;re having with realistic non-lucid dreams, in which you have full control of your actions (which are much more common than lucid dreams - with me, specifically) and you are having trouble telling them apart from waking-world reality, in which you also have full control of your actions.
If this were all lucid dreams, that were giving you trouble, you&#39;d have no problem because you know "through every dream, during every night" that nothing is real because you are only dreaming. Let me know if I&#39;m getting the wrong idea.
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you did misunderstand me...what I said was trying to "trick" me. I still know that I am dreaming but the characters try to convince me otherwise and fail to do so. I guess where I&#39;m sort of loosing my lucidity is when the dreams are in real time and real life things happend. I&#39;m ok with loosing the lucidity BUT I still remember the dreams in the back of my head and days or weeks later I forget whether it was a dream or real. Seriously yall, I&#39;m not making this up and if sounds to hard to believe then please stop trying to "prove" that I am wrong. I&#39;m only here for advice. I&#39;m not here to say "I&#39;m right and you are wrong" so with that being said, if I am in the wrong place please just say so. I am however grateful for the advice that was given. I&#39;m not someone who is toying with yall because I have nothing better to do. Like I said before, I have an appointment with a sleep specialist on Monday but I just wanted some insight on the problem I have and whether anyone else had the same types of problems with their dreams.

I, for one, have no problem believing what you are saying. It makes complete sense with what you said about when you were a child. I would tend to think that something like this would be very hard to unlearn.

I am actually not into hypnotism at all. I don&#39;t know whether or not hypnotism is even real, but the only remedy I can think of to a situation such as this would be to seek some kind of hypnotherapist to "program" your mind not to have any more lucid dreams. I personally would be very wary about having myself hypnotized, and I probably wouldn&#39;t seek out this remedy if I was in this situation. Just an idea.

try drinkinga glass of wine before you sleep.alcohol pften keeps me from dreaming,or at least keeps me from remembering.this could save you alot of time and money.try this before you go to a docter.

Originally Posted by Jrels

I, for one, have no problem believing what you are saying. It makes complete sense with what you said about when you were a child. I would tend to think that something like this would be very hard to unlearn.

I am actually not into hypnotism at all. I don&#39;t know whether or not hypnotism is even real, but the only remedy I can think of to a situation such as this would be to seek some kind of hypnotherapist to "program" your mind not to have any more lucid dreams. I personally would be very wary about having myself hypnotized, and I probably wouldn&#39;t seek out this remedy if I was in this situation. Just an idea.
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thanks you thank you thank you&#33; I have thought of this approach and I think it could be very beneficial but yes scary too. I&#39;ll see what I can find in the phone book and may just do it&#33;

Originally Posted by Jrels

try drinkinga glass of wine before you sleep.alcohol pften keeps me from dreaming,or at least keeps me from remembering.this could save you alot of time and money.try this before you go to a docter.
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really? I&#39;ve never heard of that but it would be cheaper lol.

I&#39;ve been participating in this forum for about three months, and this is the second or third time I&#39;ve seen someone come here and make a similar post about confusing memories of dream events with memories of waking life events. Do some of the longer-term members know if any of these posters have stuck around long enough to report whether they found any effective way to address the problem?

I have had brief moments where I&#39;ve had to think about whether a memory happened in a dream or in waking life. I&#39;ve had this one memory for a while now that my mother joined me on one portion of a long road trip I took a while back, and sometimes I am jolted by the realization that she did not really join me. It&#39;s never caused any real difficulty, but I can see where it would lead to a more recurring confusion, and thus a more frustrating issue.

Melinda, please stick around a little bit and let us know if any of these ideas help you out at all. With the frequency of your lucidity, I am guessing you&#39;ll be able to play with the ideas that make the most sense to you, pretty quickly. Regardless, I&#39;m happy to hear you&#39;re going to see a sleep specialist. I hope you figure this out.

Originally Posted by JaphyR

I&#39;ve been participating in this forum for about three months, and this is the second or third time I&#39;ve seen someone come here and make a similar post about confusing memories of dream events with memories of waking life events. Do some of the longer-term members know if any of these posters have stuck around long enough to report whether they found any effective way to address the problem?

I have had brief moments where I&#39;ve had to think about whether a memory happened in a dream or in waking life. I&#39;ve had this one memory for a while now that my mother joined me on one portion of a long road trip I took a while back, and sometimes I am jolted by the realization that she did not really join me. It&#39;s never caused any real difficulty, but I can see where it would lead to a more recurring confusion, and thus a more frustrating issue.

Melinda, please stick around a little bit and let us know if any of these ideas help you out at all. With the frequency of your lucidity, I am guessing you&#39;ll be able to play with the ideas that make the most sense to you, pretty quickly. Regardless, I&#39;m happy to hear you&#39;re going to see a sleep specialist. I hope you figure this out.
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Thank you and I&#39;ll do just that. I&#39;m sorry to hear you have had the same problem but at the same time I&#39;m relieved to know that someone else has shared this frustration.

Well, I believe you now, as you told your entire story. I&#39;ve sorta had the same problems, but not in the same size however.


But dear Melinda, would you read through this entire thread http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/index.php?...pic=4067&hl
It has a lot of tips, to what you could do in a lucid-dream. So far, it sounds a lot like you don&#39;t use the actual potential of lucid-dreams, but instead look at all the "bad" stuff.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Well, I believe you now, as you told your entire story. I&#39;ve sorta had the same problems, but not in the same size however.
But dear Melinda, would you read through this entire thread http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/index.php?...pic=4067&hl
It has a lot of tips, to what you could do in a lucid-dream. So far, it sounds a lot like you don&#39;t use the actual potential of lucid-dreams, but instead look at all the "bad" stuff.
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wow I went to that post and you&#39;re right&#33; I really am missing out on a lot. I&#39;ll have to try something like what has been suggested. I usually just go with the flow and "change" it as needed.

Going with the flow is probably what you&#39;ve done wrong. Variation is always a good thing for us humans.

Good luck with it

Hi Melinda k.

"Confusing the two realities.."

Your problem is not common, but it happens often enough to long-timers. I&#39;ve experienced it too, and I&#39;ve also read about it in a book.. as well as on this forum. I&#39;ve mentioned it before here under the general auspice that "LD can be dangerous" and got my head bitten off by those short-timers who think that there can be nothing "dangerous" at all in LD.

When it started to become a problem for me, I felt I had to do something drastic, so I constructed a sentence: "I hereby resolve to suspend my lucid dreaming practice" which I concentrated on and chanted in my head during the daytime, much as you did with your "It&#39;s only a dream" mantra..

..and it worked. My LDs stopped, and over a period of time, the daytime confusion passed. I got back more-or-less to normal.


Another part of your post intrigues me: the fact that your DCs insist that the dream world is real. You come over as someone who believes that dreaming is "all in the head", "it&#39;s only dreams" etc., so one would imagine that your subconscious would echo your conscious self in your LDs.. but this is not so.

You&#39;re definitely not alone in this anomaly. There is plenty of similar anecdotal evidence on this website, and yes, my DCs also insist that the dreamworld is real..

So how can that be? At the risk of being relegated to the "Beyond Dreaming" forum, it would only make sense if the DCs were right, and those who believe that dreaming is "all in the head" and controlled by the subconscious were wrong. Otherwise, it doesn&#39;t make sense at all.

All the best to you. I hope you resolve your problem.

Oneiro you make perfect sense&#33; Yes everyone in my dream believes the dream is real even though i know that these people or characters were created my my mind and aren&#39;t even real. Seomtime I tell the people that I created them and they aren&#39;t real. Then the characters seem to get angry and defensive and often try to convince me that they are real. Forget the pinching yourself to see if you are dreaming because I always feel pain in my dreams. Oh and another "forget it" is that dreams are black and white. I have never had a dream in black and white. Does anyone else try to convince the people in their dreams that they aren&#39;t real and that this is all a dream? Does anyone else feel pain in their dreams? I guess I should make a new post with these questions.

Stop talking to dream characters about whether the dream is real or not. If any dream character brings anything up, either kill him/her or show him/her a magic trick, to convince him/her, that you&#39;re dreaming.

Originally Posted by bendstringz

try drinkinga glass of wine before you sleep.alcohol pften keeps me from dreaming,or at least keeps me from remembering.this could save you alot of time and money.try this before you go to a docter.
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Good point. And for that matter, if you smoke pot on a regular basis, you will rarely remember any of your dreams.

I also suggest staying in the air whenever possible. If you were flying, you were dreaming.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Stop talking to dream characters about whether the dream is real or not. If any dream character brings anything up, either kill him/her or show him/her a magic trick, to convince him/her, that you&#39;re dreaming.
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You just don&#39;t understand.


I dug up one of my four experiences. The first.
http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/index.php?...lucidity++found

Does anyone else try to convince the people in their dreams that they aren&#39;t real and that this is all a dream? Does anyone else feel pain in their dreams? I guess I should make a new post with these questions.[/b]

I have tried to convince DC&#39;s that it&#39;s a dream, but I&#39;ve never tried to convince them that they were not real. They usually agree pretty quickly that it&#39;s a dream. I can sometimes feel things in dreams, sometimes not. Never actual pain. I did some rock climbing in a dream last night, and one of the things I have always loved about climbing is the tactile sensation of clinging to the rock. When you climb, it&#39;s the texture of the rock that often allows you to make upward progress, so it&#39;s a pretty tactile experience. I was amazed at the realness of the tactile sensation of touching rock in the dream.