carlos castenada's "magical passes"

[TalkingHead]

Does anyone know of any links describing these or have experience with them? I've read some of his work and am not quite sure if this book would be practical enough to make it worth buying. I think Magical Passes are movements to help you enter the world of conscious dreaming almost anytime you want. Thanks!

[pj]

Does anyone know of any links describing these or have experience with them? I've read some of his work and am not quite sure if this book would be practical enough to make it worth buying. Try searching on YouTube. Seems to me most or all of them can be found there.

[Oneiro]

I think Magical Passes are movements to help you enter the world of conscious dreaming almost anytime you want. Well.. I wouldn't know about that, but one thing's for sure: some of the movements can have amazing consequences when used in LDing..

[TalkingHead]

How sow Oneiro?

[Zimmerman]

Which book does Castenada talk about these "magical passes"? I read "The Art of Dreaming" and don't seem to remember anything about it... sounds like these things it could be interesting to read about.

[Oneiro]

How so Oneiro? If you can learn some of these movements and remember to try them in LDing, you're halfway there. If you're successful, your lucidity will increase tenfold, you'll be able to change scenarios at will, communicate with DCs (and not get gibberish answers), levitate etc etc.. but the main benefit will be to your lucidity. I recommend that you learn No. 20 "Piercing the body with a beam of energy" and No. 22 "The half-circle of energy". Try out those two first in LDing. Zimmerman.. the book is called "Magical Passes". There's an awful lot of info in it, much to learn.. it can be very hard work.

[TalkingHead]

Wow.. maybe I will get the book.. Do you know why these movements work? Something to do with "Tensegrity" I suppose?

[Oneiro]

"Tensegrity" is a (now) generic name for the movements.. I can't tell you why they work.. but they do..

[nelida]

Which book does Castenada talk about these "magical passes"? I read "The Art of Dreaming" and don't seem to remember anything about it... sounds like these things it could be interesting to read about. I think the reason why one can't remember anything of those books,or very little is because, while reading one's assamblage point slightly shifts.One has to bring it back to that position to remember. Only after "recapitulating" the way Castaneda describes, I was able to LD.So I owe a lot to Carlos.The other techniques (FILD, MILD,WILD and anyothers I haven't tried).I sincerely think that ,most of the people here naturally talented.And if you are able to LD with FILD,WILD and so on, who knows what you'll be able to do if you "recapitulate".

[polmc]

I didn't know there was tensegrity on youtube! Thats sounsd great Now I have no excuse... and nelida, do you really feel the difference if you recapitulate? Do you, for instance, recapitulate at night all the things you've done during day? Or you do that thing of remembering all the interactions you've had with people, one by one?

[TalkingHead]

what do you mean by recapitulating exactly? And Polmc.. could you go on about recalling the interactions you've had with people throughout the day? I've been trying to R.C. every person I encounter and then I go through the list of people I encountered in my dreams as well.. People really seem to be the best reality check as anyone's reality impacts your own reality so much.

[polmc]

TalkingHead. Im no guru but I can explain you what I know about recapitulation. It is like a meditation in which breathing is the key point. You must visualize and feel as if you were in the interactions you've had. Imagine the environment and what you felt. You move your head side to side (in a sitting position), and when you are visualizing, you breathe in the energy you've lost, for instance, in a discussion with your partner. Then as you move your head to the right you breathe out the negative part or the energy which doesn't belong to you. As you say, aside from the purpose given by Castaneda (which is to save energy for things like LDing and to stalk your stupid attitudes), it also improves your recall amazingly... At the beginning its not easy to remember all day's interactions... but you get it with practice.. have in mind that the long-term goal is to have recapitulated all your life!

[nelida]

I didn't know there was tensegrity on youtube! Thats sounsd great Now I have no excuse... and nelida, do you really feel the difference if you recapitulate? Do you, for instance, recapitulate at night all the things you've done during day? Or you do that thing of remembering all the interactions you've had with people, one by one? yes, ı do feel the difference.I was not recapping for months and ı wasn't having any LD's. Then I recapped especially about someone who intentionally tried to make me mad ,sad,etc (and who succeeded at that) .I recapped for 45 min.'s. That night I had a LD since months. Next day I continued recapping the same person because I hadn't finished all the events we had together. That night I had another LD. I have tried recapitulating all the events I have lived during the day and going to sleep.At the time I haven't had any LD's yet. I was recapi. all the events that I have lived during that day , also some events of the past of random order,important events and not so important ones.It was like a trial period for me which lasted for a few months.One night I was on the train. I thought it was a chance not to be missed to be on the train for a LD. Ifelt like " I have it on this train or I have it on this train." I was very determined.Went to bed early, woke up many tiimes,ate something from the small fridge and went back to sleep angry that I had not any LD's.Each time I was saying out loud "I am a Toltec dreamer and I am intending to have a Toltec dream .In this dream I will be aware that I am dreaming..." Saying that sounded very stupid because I was not a dreamer yet and I wasn't Toltec,but I kept saying it. Iwent back to sleep and found myself sitting on the bed smoking.The room was filled with cigarette smoke. I realised I was dreaming because I had quitted smoking years ago. The dream was very Lucid,I was shocked because it looked so real. With tensegrity I cannot say it has helped me with my LD.Maybe it is because it has to be done in inner siilence and I can'T keep silent long enough.

[polmc]

Well that sounds convincing, I'm gonna start doing it more often since I'm having too few LDs lately!