This is going to be long I wish it were possible to reply to people using each time a new post, just to make reading more comfortable, but unfortunately the forum adds every new post to a preceding one.


Qzole:
-socializing? I doubt you'll ever get a girlfriend, as it is rare for girls to play comupter games, and you could also go to parties [/b]
We live in different worlds? I know not a single girl who doesn’t play computer games. The most popular game among girls is GTA series, then go different 3dshooters. Forget these old views that your parents (?) imbued into you, you seem to think that girls choose girlish past-times. No clear division between male and female past-times exist nowadays. (In my country.)
As for socializing in general, most of friends and aquaintances I have now I met while playing that game. A lot of people. Not only people from my city, but from all over.
But gaming is only for youth, not forever. You have to spend too much time playing in order to progress or just not lose your skill. And you’re bound to lose your reflexes pretty soon anyway. And then, no game exists forever, it loses popularity. Well, I don’t play anymore.
LDing is not only for youth. And I can see how you deem it more useful after what you’ve said. Still our views are very different. It may be beneficial for you to practice public speaking in a dream, but it won’t be beneficial if you think ‘That’s not real, so there's nothing to be scared of’.


Oneironaut:
To say that there is no unpredictability in dreams is to have a static mind where nothing changes – where DC X’s replay to your same question, asked in two different dreams to the same DC, is always going to yield the exact same response.[/b]
Of course, predictability isn’t happening in a dream. But you know about it. And if so, then why interact with fake people? If you don’t deliberately deceive yourself into thinking that it’s a real person, then it’s like talking to your own reflection in a mirror.
In a LD you can do anything you want to DCs. Even if they demonstrate a seemingly unusual reaction it is possible to force them to do anything, even to disappear. Don’t you want a worthy person to talk to, instead of a slave!
This is how I (we) complete the tasks of the month, when we think about them. I’ve even decided not to do a task before because I remembered that it was the first day of the next month, and the previous month’s task was now over.[/b]
This is easy, and that wasn’t what I was talking about. Try to consciously remember all your biographical data in a LD. Or write something down but don’t learn it by heart, and then try to say it in a LD. After you wake up you’ll be able to see that you’ve messed it up. Unless you’ve learnt it by heart.
You can try to retell a book that you’ve read a couple of years ago. If you don’t remember it well enough, i.e. it’s not recently read or your favorite, you’ll mess it up. Whereas in reality you would be able to think clearly.
I think much of your argument is more a method to maintain your discernment between reality and dreams, rather than a picture of a logical perception of the perspectives of others who lucid dream – forging reinforcement of (what I believe are) misconceptions in an understandable reach for the normality you just spoke of.[/b]
If you want to say that I mess reality and dreams, then no, it isn’t true.
It happens only rarely and in a way that every LDer experienced, after waking up after a very realistic dream. Such a dream feels as real as reality while you’re dreaming it, and so you wake up and aren’t sure if this is a false awakening. Especially if there were a raw of them right before that
But it only happens if you’re being foolish, coz it’s easy to check what you remember and how clearly you can think to learn if you are still dreaming or not.
Oh, and as far as "running out of things to do in a lucid dream:" I think that (besides the limiting idea of "the adventure is meaningless because it's all in your head) that this is due to a complete lack of creativity and/or preplanning.[/b]
No, it is due to a lack of desire to have fake adventures
After taking a little waking world time to actually think about what you'd like to do in a lucid dream, you should have more than enough ammunition to keep yourself interested (hence the tasks of the month).[/b]
That’s it. A task of the month isn’t interesting for me. Or whatever else. I want to pursue some ‘higher’ goal rather than entertain myself. That’s all.


Gregash:
My point was that any action you perform is the result of someone creating the ability to do so. Every single action and in truth the entire environment has been pre-fabricated by the game's creator. And while you can speak with others your only interaction is within an environment of no substance.[/b]
So people are blaming me for saying that they only seek a virtual reality in dreams? And yet you talk about what I’m talking about as only a virtual reality! That shows what people are seeking better than anything else.
First, games are different. Not all of them are rigid. Esports is like chess, in this type of game you need to read your opponent’s thoughts non-stop, you have to guess how he thinks or what he knows about your thinking, it’s all about predicting each other and outsmarting each other.
But you’re speaking only of a virtual world and how realistic it looks! Ok, if that’s what you need, a virtual world of your own with realistic graphics, then surely LDs are your best bet. But that says much about what you seek, a fake environment to have adventures in, that looks so real that you can pretend that it is.
Sorry if that souded insulting, it wasn’t insulting, but people got angry at me before for stating this truth.
The fact that you think interacting with a game (even if it is against real people over a network) is cooler than anything else, even sex, yet you seem to have a poor opinion of people who enjoy lucid dreaming.[/b]
That shows that unfortunately you have no clue what type of gaming I’m talking about And you’re talking about 3d-environment reaslism anyway.
And while, yes, this is one of my most important reasons for exploring LDs, I don't see how this fact makes our two separate opinions agree with one another.[/b]
I don’t see how it makes them disagree. You use dream yoga’s ‘dream is an illusion’ method of LD exploration and yet you’re agreeing with others that it’s bad to think like that? The only logical expanation I can think of is that you use this method occasinally instead of all the time as it is meant to be used.



So, so far noone is interested in using dreams for other purposes but adventures in a virtual world? If someone is, please PM me, I can understand a lack of wish to talk about it in the topic. That would probably create more angry posts