Thread: What good are lucid dreams?

I don't know where that quote of arnesaknussemm came from but, since it's here now:

How is that NOT controlling a dream. When you purposely carry plans over from waking life then execute them in a dream then you've controlled the dream.

How is merging with a tree - or touching them or "having anything to do with them" - a "bad thing to do"?

We obviously have wildly different ideas of what lucid dreaming is all about.

A man can have sex with Marilyn Monroe anything me wants to when he's awake. That's called a daydream. Dreams when you're asleep are an entirely different matter.

Why does that need to be said? It's a no-brainer.

And no, "he" wasn't attacked by a tree in a dream.

If you insist on touching a tree or talking to one in a lucid dream after I've told you not to, then go right ahead.

And if you're wondering whether the experiences of the 68 people who are carrying out tasks in my lucid dreaming group have altered my thinking in any way whatsoever as to what dreaming and lucid dreaming are about, the answer is emphatically no.

I dont really have a problem with trees, I was just wondering why you do.
No big deal though, to each his own.

just a note: your belief's creat your experience.

Sensible things an umbrella would say concerning this thread:

- Arne saknussemm is not making a lot of sense

- It seems lseadragon was right about the fact that Caradon likes the apostrophe key a lot

- Some good reasons for lucid dreaming that aren't tied to lucid dreams directly include the fact that even normal dreams can be incredible stories which can teach the dreamer something about him/herself, and the fact that keeping a dream journal is a good start in fighting a lack of discipline.

Non-sensible things Rabindranath Tagor said concerning trees:

- "Trees are the earth’s endless effort to speak to the listening heaven."

Originally Posted by Umbrella

Sensible things an umbrella would say concerning this thread:

- Arne saknussemm is not making a lot of sense

- It seems lseadragon was right about the fact that Caradon likes the apostrophe key a lot

- Some good reasons for lucid dreaming that aren't tied to lucid dreams directly include the fact that even normal dreams can be incredible stories which can teach the dreamer something about him/herself, and the fact that keeping a dream journal is a good start in fighting a lack of discipline.

Non-sensible things Rabindranath Tagor said concerning trees:

- "Trees are the earth’s endless effort to speak to the listening heaven."

I know, my writing sucks.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

If you insist on touching a tree or talking to one in a lucid dream after I've told you not to, then go right ahead.

You missed the important part -- 'Why?'

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

A man can have sex with Marilyn Monroe anything me wants to when he's awake. That's called a daydream. Dreams when you're asleep are an entirely different matter.

Why does that need to be said? It's a no-brainer.

And no, "he" wasn't attacked by a tree in a dream.

If you insist on touching a tree or talking to one in a lucid dream after I've told you not to, then go right ahead.

And if you're wondering whether the experiences of the 68 people who are carrying out tasks in my lucid dreaming group have altered my thinking in any way whatsoever as to what dreaming and lucid dreaming are about, the answer is emphatically no.

Arne, in the other thread where you said that you didn't think people could control their dreams, I begain to wonder about control and even wonder if you were right. I mean, even tho you suggested the tree-walking thing, and said that it would prove that people could have control, AND I did it, I still wondered. How did I know that I didn't just dream that I had control, if that makes sense, and if it is different than actually having control. I have talked to several people (who seem to have good control), and, combined with my own experiences, I think now that it is real control, and not just an illusion or part of the dream that you happen to be lucid in. In a way, my own usual lack of control is a little evidence (for me) that on those rare time that I have control, something different is happening.

Arne, do you believe that dreams are something other than experiences contained in the individual's brain? I mean, do you think that dreams have a reality outside the person and are influenced by outside forces? Is your argument against control and interacting with trees something metaphysical or spiritual, or do you have neuropsychological or other scientific arguments against it?

Just wondering what we're talking about, exactly. You have made me think a little about the subject and helped me clarify what I believe to be happening, so thank you; however, I'm confused about what you're really trying to say to us about dreaming.

I've stated here very clearly and more than once that things are going on in people's dreams that have nothing to do with the dreamer.

And instead of telling me that you "controlled your dream" in a task that I didn't assign, why don't you join my group and carry out a real task?

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

I've stated here very clearly and more than once that things are going on in people's dreams that have nothing to do with the dreamer.

And instead of telling me that you "controlled your dream" in a task that I didn't assign, why don't you join my group and carry out a real task?

Why are the tasks here not "real"? Why would you believe people anymore if they do your tasks than if they do the tasks here? Do you believe that peoplke here did the walking-tree task? (I know I did, and I assume the others did too.) Can you give an example of one of your tasks?

PS I missed a little of your above post, so I guess you do mean that you think outside forces are controlling dreams?

I've got 68 people working on tasks in my group, including some who claimed before they joined to have super-powers of dreaming. But as soon as they joined, their powers suddenly vanished. Maybe that was just a coincidence, but I don't think so.

I've found that the people who talk about lucid dreaming on the Internet the most are not the ones who really can do it. The handful who are good at it are quiet and unassuming.

If you go by what people post, you'd never suspect which ones can actually do it.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

I've got 68 people working on tasks in my group, including some who claimed before they joined to have super-powers of dreaming. But as soon as they joined, their powers suddenly vanished. Maybe that was just a coincidence, but I don't think so.

I've found that the people who talk about lucid dreaming on the Internet the most are not the ones who really can do it. The handful who are good at it are quiet and unassuming.

If you go by what people post, you'd never suspect which ones can actually do it.

How would your group be any different? Wouldn't those same people just claim they completed the tasks in your group even if they were unable to?

And more importantly, for me at least -- what's so bad about trees?

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

I've got 68 people working on tasks in my group, including some who claimed before they joined to have super-powers of dreaming. But as soon as they joined, their powers suddenly vanished. Maybe that was just a coincidence, but I don't think so.

Where is this group? I haven't looked for it yet.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

I've found that the people who talk about lucid dreaming on the Internet the most are not the ones who really can do it. The handful who are good at it are quiet and unassuming. If you go by what people post, you'd never suspect which ones can actually do it.

Oh, so as long as you don't talk about it you're a lucid God but, if you aren't afraid to talk about with others who are also into it then you're lying? Well, I'm glad we're all making up lies about what we do in our dreams just to impress people we'll never meet, and I thought I was the only one. At least we all found common ground as yarn spinners, cool!

But seriously, I'm sure we could all find better things to lie about than the fantasy world of dreams.

And what's up with the trees? We're tired of asking. Either tell your theory or give it up. Or perhaps we can't handle the truth. Yeah, that's probably it.