Thread: How much real is the lucid world?

you havent been pissed off till you feel like you have paper cut yourself in a dream and wake up due to it.

Or you feel like you've been stabbed/peirced through the sides, 3 spears in the right side of your ribcage, 3 in the left... damn that hurts.

Originally Posted by RooJ

Or you feel like you've been stabbed/peirced through the sides, 3 spears in the right side of your ribcage, 3 in the left... damn that hurts.

I had a guy cut the inside edge of my hand with a pair of scissors the other night. Yowch!

Apparently the reason for this is that the same part of the brain and the same processes used to model the outside world are also used when modelling the inside world of dreams.

I'm fairly convinced this isn't true. Very different areas of the brain are involved real life versus dreams, even if the sensations in a dream mimic the sensations in real life does NOT mean they are created by the same areas of the brain. Dreams mainly draw from past memories/subconscious thoughts and scrambles um all up then presents them through your sensory lobes of the brain. This is the exact reverse of what happens in real life where your experiences enter through the sensory lobes and eventually settle in the conscious thought/subconscious/memory lobes of the brain.

By the way, with the pain thing, i've never actually felt pain in a dream, extreme anxiety or fear... even to the point that they might be considered painful, yes, but never pain itself. For example i would see myself opening the microwave door, putting the paperclip on the safety switch, and putting my hand in then pressing start, it would cause extreme anxiety, but i would only wake up instead of feeling pain while asleep, i honestly don't think i would feel pain in a dream because of the simple subconscious option of just waking up. However, this might be just me though, and i'm not basing anything off of this.

My dreams are very realistic normally. Sometimes I do get hazy or fuzzy ones, but they are about as realistic as RL. Lucid Dreams however, are at least 50x more realistic than RL. It's like I can focus on everything at once, and all my senses are turned up to the max. As of now, it's the main reason why I LD.

I'm fairly convinced this isn't true. Very different areas of the brain are involved real life versus dreams, even if the sensations in a dream mimic the sensations in real life does NOT mean they are created by the same areas of the brain.

I was simply quoting Stephen laberge, and from what I've read on different sites there seems to be a strong connection between visual and mental imagery and how they're processed..

http://www.sparknotes.com/psychology.../section1.html

In addition to evidence from interference, evidence from brain imaging studies (see the Neuropsychology section on methodology for more information on brain imaging techniques) shows that many of the areas of the brain used for vision are activated when people perform a task requiring mental imagery. Final evidence for overlapping systems comes from people who have suffered brain damage. People who lose some visual ability as a result of brain damage also lose the corresponding ability in mental imagery; for example, people who lose the ability to see color also lose the ability to imagine scenes in color. Thus, it seems that people use the same physical areas of the brain for mental imagery and visual perception.

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neur...3/Mintzer.html

Studies using this technology soon confirmed that areas of the visual cortex are active during mental imagery, suggesting that indeed visual imagery and visual perception may share a common neural basis.

From my experiences it is just as real and vivid as waking life, but only whilst it is happening. You remember it being like reality, but you cannot re-manifest that feeling again. I've LD'd in a crowded town square before, with lots of people around, and no perceivable "mistakes".

I've enjoyed reading all of your opinions, most of them are really informative.

But I was also wondering, how much stable are the lucid dreams regarding their content?

For example, in my usual dreams, if I looka at a plate, after staring for 3 seconds it either changes shape or color, or just disappears. So here the content is not stable.

Will this also happen in your lucid dreams? Is the content of lucid dreams stable? (Regardless of image quality and how much clear the dream is).
Do you have that feeling that if you stare at something in your dream, it will just change shape or disappear suddenly? Will scenery remain intact no matter how much time is passing?

What do you think?

Yours