Thread: if LDing is real then what about. . .

well naikou, that is a valid point...but

during those times, "science" isn't always nessisarally scientific. the sun orbited the earth..but we didn't have any proof. atoms were indivisible because that theory had been around for as long as people could remember. today's scientific community is a more experiment driven community than it was before.

so although i understand your point, we are more analytical now. it's not so much prejudice from the scientific community because it doesn't fit in with everything else, so much as is that testing has been done and found little to no evidence.

Originally Posted by Leumas13

during those times, "science" isn't always nessisarally scientific. the sun orbited the earth..but we didn't have any proof. atoms were indivisible because that theory had been around for as long as people could remember. today's scientific community is a more experiment driven community than it was before.

I'm talking about the 1960's and 70's. Not only had we discovered that the earth orbited the sun, but we had traveled to the moon. Not only did we know that atoms were divisible, but we had created nuclear weapons. And yet, Lucid Dreaming was still rejected.

@ Marvo and weelilhazel: Yeah, I know, I mentioned that in my first post. But obviously, there are millions/billions of people who have never experienced LD'ing (or don't remember doing so), and because of that they refuse to believe in Lucid Dreaming, even with concrete scientific evidence.

So yeah, people like us are the lucky ones, in that regard. But it's possible that we have not experienced some other phenomena, and I think it would be unwise to completely reject all phenomena that we haven't experienced. I'm not saying that I believe in ESP, aliens, time travelers, and so forth; I'm just suggesting that there could be things science has passed by - like lucid dreaming was - and is waiting to be discovered.

I dont understand what you mean by NOT real??? How is lucid dreaming NOT real if there are thousands of people doing it? Of course its all in your mind but thats exactly what it is. We artn saying its actually happning in real life (i dont think at least) so I guess you could say its not real in the physical sense. But it is REAL since you have to train your body.

How does this sound if someone were to come up and tell you it.

"O ya BOB I just had a really nice lucid dream last night! But Gooly g wiz those lucid dreams arnt real. But I just had one, let me tell you it was great. But not real of course"

But ya, maybe im just confused on what you mean?

Originally Posted by naikou

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I don't think lucid dreaming ever was rejected. Too few just knew about it. None of my friends, or people I've been talking to have rejected it, or said that I'm making up all the stuff. They just don't find it interesting, since "it's just dreams".

Originally Posted by Marvo

I don't think lucid dreaming ever was rejected. Too few just knew about it. None of my friends, or people I've been talking to have rejected it, or said that I'm making up all the stuff. They just don't find it interesting, since "it's just dreams".

If they only knew. . .

I tried telling one of my coworkers yesterday. . .
"Have you ever woken up in a dream before? Become completely aware that you were dreaming and it feeling almost like reality?"
Lee: "Oh yeah! Like a couple months ago I dreamed Connie (our boss) was really mad at me and I thought it was so real that I asked her if she was upset with me when I came into work"
That's where I just shook my head and gave up.


And I agree with scientists knowing a lot about sleep and the REM stage and so on, so I guess LDing isn't quite on the same level as the other paranormal things.
I still wish I could move things with my mind though.

Originally Posted by Needcatscan

I still wish I could move things with my mind though.

There is a site that lists alot of useful techniques, just not that Damn Psi-wheel. These guys have been open since 2000.
http://psipog.net/home.html

They also have a media section. Psychokinesis Varies on the person though, it's like Lucid dreaming. Some people can do it the first time they try, others it takes a while.

I've been there, do you really think they are for real though?
Wouldn't it be some kind of breakthrough to actually be able to move things with your mind? That's what has me unbelieving.

Penn & Teller have a show called Bullsh!t where they did a whole show on this stuff and there is a guy who will pay the first person to show that they can do telekinesis a million bucks. So far no takers.

My main reasons for not believing in these things is that IF they were in fact real, then wouldn't there be a lot of science behind it and scientists researching it?

Thats always the first thing that comes to mind but what if science isn't ready to get into non locality because it will turn half of modern science upside down. Just like the physicists back in the day couldn't accept the world was round because they would have had to change all their scientific theories.

Maybe the people who can do these tricks take advantage of the fact that the worlds ignorant and uses it to their advantage. For example lets nobody believed that people could hack into computers because the computer manufacturers said it was impossible.

If you were a hacker would you go around telling people that you were able to do it or would you take advantage of peoples ignorant and keep on hacking without having to worry about being detected because most people don't even believe it's possible?

I think alot of this psychic shit really is happening all the time only it's way too subtle for the average person to notice. I think hackings a good example because you could have somebody hacking your computer your whole life and never realize until you learn about hacking and computer security yourself. Real hackers wont leave any trace and do their best to go unnoticed. Of course theres the people just doing it for the fun and fuck around with your computer so you will notice. If psychic abilities were real you'd think thered be some people fucking around with them for the fun too.