Thread: if LDing is real then what about. . .

I agree completely. In fact, Wig, your argument has been brought up on numerous occasions. The same answer is always given. We don't want the fame, and we don't want to be called liars! It's just not worth it.

Originally Posted by magicdood

I agree completely. In fact, Wig, your argument has been brought up on numerous occasions. The same answer is always given. We don't want the fame, and we don't want to be called liars! It's just not worth it.

My argument that what you claim to do can't be done comes up many times? I don't doubt it at all. My point is, don't claim it since you cannot do it. Just don't claim it or bring it up if you "don't want fame" because here you're getting some kind of attention for it, no matter how small, you're still liking it. Why bother bringing it up on a public forum? You could have just given links to places that they could look at themselves or talked to people via PM or IM. Bringing it up on a public forum is just you vying for some form of attention for your "ability".

So.. nobody even considered my point of view?
I keep hearing people ask for proof, or tell them there is proof but not showing much.
What if it is up to You, personally, whether there is proof that can be shown?
Myself i find that to explain a lot, a very clear way of looking at the world.

Originally Posted by Mocari

So.. nobody even considered my point of view?
I keep hearing people ask for proof, or tell them there is proof but not showing much.
What if it is up to You, personally, whether there is proof that can be shown?
Myself i find that to explain a lot, a very clear way of looking at the world.

Point taken, but the point is: there is no evidence to even look at. So I can't exactly look at it (or anyone else) because true "psychics" are all secretive and stuff and don't want their MAGICAL POWERS out in society where people can know and learn and become ENLIGHTENED!

God you are annoying. Like really really annoying, hehe. But yes, I can see where you got the attention thing. More like helping people expand their minds. I don't want attention nor fame. I want to help people. Please understand that.

Originally Posted by The Wig

Point taken, but the point is: there is no evidence to even look at. So I can't exactly look at it (or anyone else) because true "psychics" are all secretive and stuff and don't want their MAGICAL POWERS out in society where people can know and learn and become ENLIGHTENED!

That answer seems to be very much alike the way things are, and very much alike the way You believe things to be, right?

I didn't mean that You might not see proof that is there.
What i meant to say is that there may not be proof at all, because You don't believe there to be proof.

I agree, this is getting annoying. The Wig ignored one of my posts, whats the worst that could come from believeing in TK. Really, whats wrong with it?

Absolutely nothing. I mean, at the worst, it's fake. Which it's not haha. But at the best, you can train your mind to perform an amazing ability!

Let us believe in what we want, Wig. Just cause you are close-minded, you don't have to take it out on others hehe.

And 27, do you believe in PK?

Originally Posted by magicdood

Absolutely nothing. I mean, at the worst, it's fake. Which it's not haha. But at the best, you can train your mind to perform an amazing ability!

Let us believe in what we want, Wig. Just cause you are close-minded, you don't have to take it out on others hehe.

And 27, do you believe in PK?

How is it close minded to not believe in things that don't exist? How about this...I believe in unicorns at the bottom of my coffee. They are also invisible so you can't prove they exist. You don't believe in them do you? WELL FUCK OFF BECAUSE I DO.

See how stupid that is? If you make some huge, unsubstantiated claim, I will call it for what it is - false.

Also, 27, sorry I can't respond to all your posts, my life isn't dedicated to this topic or this forum. I can't be expected to catch every post and respond to it now can I?

Okay, I gotta get this out of my system...
Shut the Fuck Up!!!!
Okay, I'm better. Really. All smiles now

"I don't want the fame!" "Money means very little to me." "I don't have to prove it to you." "I'm an attention seeking 12-year-old pussy!"

This same old bullshit is being peddled and regurgitated over and over again! No wonder Randi gets so pissed dealing with you people! Either prove it or fuck off!

You have a world where telekinesis DOES NOT exist. Period. And yet, you're claming that you can do it. . . and you just want to keep it to yourself!???? Like Randi said: If someone can actually prove psychic ability then it is a scientific breakthrough, and (end paraphrase, begin personal opinion) probably the next step in the evolution of man. Isn't that a big deal? Isn't that a good reason to prove you can really do these things instead of hiding away and doing it just for fun? That would be like Isaac Newton only messing around with Calculus and Physics (things that the most of the world could only look at and scratch their heads) for fun and not never show them to the real world. How much sense does that make?

So you can really move things with your mind? Tell someone! Show your damn parents! If they believe you show more people until your the talk of the town and until eventually you become known as the first person to discover Psi and usure in the next stage of human evolution.

Bastard.


By the way, Lucid dreaming rocks!

Haha, your ignorance is astounding! I actually feel bad for you, in a way. I'm so much younger than you, physically, yet much more mature! Imagine that!

I have a world where telekinesis doesn't exist? I do? Well that doesn't explain my ability to do telekinesis now does it? Hmm, I better rewrite the definition of my world. Cause I most certainly can do it.

Also, if you were not so lost in the ignorance of your egoistical mind, you would realize my reasons for not wanting fame. However, your mind cannot possibly understand it, so I know why you are frustrated.

How can you say that telekinesis doesn't exist? I mean really..your ignorance makes you look stupid. Hahahha! I'm laughing..guess why..cause i've done telekinesis! God this is great! I'm loving it!

Also, why would this make me a bastard...do you think it is cool to be mean and call others names? wow.

Originally Posted by magicdood

Haha, your ignorance is astounding! I actually feel bad for you, in a way. I'm so much younger than you, physically, yet much more mature! Imagine that!

I have a world where telekinesis doesn't exist? I do? Well that doesn't explain my ability to do telekinesis now does it? Hmm, I better rewrite the definition of my world. Cause I most certainly can do it.

Also, if you were not so lost in the ignorance of your egoistical mind, you would realize my reasons for not wanting fame. However, your mind cannot possibly understand it, so I know why you are frustrated.

How can you say that telekinesis doesn't exist? I mean really..your ignorance makes you look stupid. Hahahha! I'm laughing..guess why..cause i've done telekinesis! God this is great! I'm loving it!

Also, why would this make me a bastard...do you think it is cool to be mean and call others names? wow.

ROFL!!!!!

Originally Posted by magicdood

...do you think it is cool to be mean and call others names? wow.

Do you? You've been at it ever since this mockery started. I've lost count of the no. of times you've called people close-minded and ignorant.

Just sayin'.

Originally Posted by Silvanus350

Do you? You've been at it ever since this mockery started. I've lost count of the no. of times you've called people close-minded and ignorant.

Just sayin'.

I see where you are coming from. But it is not an insult, but more a truthful statement. And yes, I should not be judging people, and that is correct, but I am quite sure that in those situations they were truthfully being ignorant or close-minded, right? I've never called anyone names, cusses or anything of the sort though.

Haha, how do you know telekinesis is false. Because people have been exploited as fake? Does that mean that EVERYONE is fake? No. So how do you know?

And as for Needcatscan, I don't really know what was so funny but at least you didn't insult me so I'll take that as a good thing, hah. And I don't really know why I start talking about consciousness, things obviously above your heads.

Could we stop attacking each other and start listening to each other?
Lets put it this way then.
If i'm right, and
what You perceive as true = all that is true to You, "in Your experience",
then the reason for there not being any proof on psi, is Your view of the world.

No one wants that kind of fame man. This is to much for people to accept. You'd just be making yourself into a target of redicule. Look at lucid dreaming. Your own personal unverce in which you can do anything you want to every night. Sounds preety good right? And it's scientifically accepted. Even better. Yet who knows about it? It's a very small community when you consider that the information is free to anyone. Even if you managed to prove TK, what then? Whats the use?

And for the love of G-d, what's wrong with believeing in it?

Originally Posted by 27

No one wants that kind of fame man. This is to much for people to accept. You'd just be making yourself into a target of redicule. Look at lucid dreaming. Your own personal unverce in which you can do anything you want to every night. Sounds preety good right? And it's scientifically accepted. Even better. Yet who knows about it? It's a very small community when you consider that the information is free to anyone. Even if you managed to prove TK, what then? Whats the use?

And for the love of G-d, what's wrong with believeing in it?

I guess it's better than believing in religion, but that's another argument. . .
How about we drop PK and agree that lucid dreaming rocks?

Sweet merciful Lord don't turn this into a religous topic. And yes, it does.

Well, I've never experienced it, but I'll take your word for it! (pk is better. :p)

Haha, ok, i'm gonna have a lucid dream tonight!

Randi is an ass and a fraud.
http://psipog.net/art-beware-pseudo-skepticism.html

More than one of us have tried winning this "million dollar challenge". It is impossible, and you would have know that provided you had done your research.


Instead of me telling you if Psychokinesis does or does not exist, i challenge you to make a true effort to learn it, and then come back and say that it is fake with a straight face.

Showing you videos, however, is pointless, due to the fact that you will just find some way to disprove them anyway, even if the reason isn't justified. If you'd like to see some videos anyway, they can be viewed in Psipog.net's media section and UpcOnline.net's media section. Surely the 19,000 + members that joined Psipog before its archiving can't possibly be wrong?

Originally Posted by Needcatscan

Okay, I gotta get this out of my system...
Shut the Fuck Up!!!!
Okay, I'm better. Really. All smiles now

"I don't want the fame!" "Money means very little to me." "I don't have to prove it to you." "I'm an attention seeking 12-year-old pussy!"

This same old bullshit is being peddled and regurgitated over and over again! No wonder Randi gets so pissed dealing with you people! Either prove it or fuck off!

"You have a world where telekinesis DOES NOT exist. Period. And yet, you're claming that you can do it. . . and you just want to keep it to yourself!???? Like Randi said: If someone can actually prove psychic ability then it is a scientific breakthrough, and (end paraphrase, begin personal opinion) probably the next step in the evolution of man. Isn't that a big deal? Isn't that a good reason to prove you can really do these things instead of hiding away and doing it just for fun? That would be like Isaac Newton only messing around with Calculus and Physics (things that the most of the world could only look at and scratch their heads) for fun and not never show them to the real world. How much sense does that make?

So you can really move things with your mind? Tell someone! Show your damn parents! If they believe you show more people until your the talk of the town and until eventually you become known as the first person to discover Psi and usure in the next stage of human evolution.

Bastard.


By the way, Lucid dreaming rocks!

Ok..I have no way of getting to Randi, and nor do most other psychics like me and Magicdood. We have no way of getting fame either. I showed most of my class. Everybody just got impressed and life went on. No news reporter showed up, nothing. Even if I did want the fame..What would I do to get it? Would I go show a news reporter? No..Those things have been on the news already, and I cant even get to anything like that. If I show a few people, they all talk about it, and we go on. I show somebody else and they just get impressed but it doesnt speread through the whole town and end up on the fucking news. And the wig:

"How is it close minded to not believe in things that don't exist? How about this...I believe in unicorns at the bottom of my coffee. They are also invisible so you can't prove they exist. You don't believe in them do you? WELL FUCK OFF BECAUSE I DO.

See how stupid that is? If you make some huge, unsubstantiated claim, I will call it for what it is - false.

Also, 27, sorry I can't respond to all your posts, my life isn't dedicated to this topic or this forum. I can't be expected to catch every post and respond to it now can I?"

Nobody does that. We never said to fuck off because you dont beleive and we do, we argued with you. Theres nothing wrong with that. You try to convince us by telling us something, we say thats not true and back it up, then we say something and you usually ignore it or say its stupid or unreliable or try to say somehing about it proving it wrong. The last one is ok.

I have seen it happen with my own eyes. I have proved it to myself.

Btw I bet I've had more LD's than all of you.