Thread: if LDing is real then what about. . .

Ok, from what i've read this topic mainly centers around the "oogy boogy" aspect of lucid dreaming and i suggest it should be moved to the beyond dreaming forum. Anyway, as far as psychic stuff you see on the internet, it is completely fake, there is no conclusive proof of any human potential for telekinesis or any other extracerebral activity. The US government conducted a lot of tests on this stuff, one of the most well known of these originated in nazi germany where (now i'm getting into speculative stuff) it is rumored a number of scientists were conducting research on reading people's thoughts (obviously they didn't turn any results). The US recovered a few of these scientists in "operation paperclip" and it is rumored they continued research covertly with a few of these scientists on the "stargate project" (also didn't yield any results, you can look both of these up on wikipedia as they are both documented). I'm not going to say that there can never be extracerebral activity possible under any circumstance, however, I don't think this world has seen any of it yet, we don't use 10% of our brains, we only use 10% at any given instant, we use 100% of our total brain mass in a given week, genetically we were not designed for telekinesis, our brains are the exact size we use and nothing more, there is also no standard scientific explanation for psychic stuff (eg. electromagnetics/electromagnetic waves... etc), that's why it's very hard to prove and it gets into the "oogy boogy" range.

EDIT: I see people talking about "energy doing stuff". This is complete academic BS, "energy" does not exist, there is no such thing as generic energy, there is kinetic energy and potential energy, period. Electrical energy is just a derivitave of potential energy, even the strings in string theory are still a derivative of electrical energy, there is conservation of energy. The average human body contains aproximatly 1.2 volts in (indirect) electrical charge through ion interactions at any given time, during a seisure (where all nerves release energy) this can jump to over 10 volts, however for this energy to do anything to the world around it, there would need to exist a sort of biological electrical transformer, the existance of such in the human body is inconclusive, 10 volts is not enough to send a form of directed energy, period. Even though the body contains a remarkable amount of energy in storage (14 Megajoules per pound of fat) and is remarkably efficient at converting food to energy, 10 volts, even if it was concentrated on one point couldn't even pierce the skin, let alone create a field large enough to reach across the earth (remote viewing) or lift objects (telekinesis), or any other remarkable stuff... humans simply aren't built for it. The closest thing we have on this planet to "telepathy" is the electric eel.

All we see is that matter is made up of an incredible amount of nothing. It's basically nonexistent as far as we know.

EDIT 2: For the record, everything is made of energy (according to string theory), however matter (at least solid matter) is not as much "empty space" as one might think, the electrons outside of a nucleus occupy space, because of the continuous charge contour they create.

Originally Posted by trigotron

Ok, from what i've read this topic mainly centers around the "oogy boogy" aspect of lucid dreaming and i suggest it should be moved to the beyond dreaming forum. Anyway, as far as psychic stuff you see on the internet, it is completely fake, there is no conclusive proof of any human potential for telekinesis or any other extracerebral activity. The US government conducted a lot of tests on this stuff, one of the most well known of these originated in nazi germany where (now i'm getting into speculative stuff) it is rumored a number of scientists were conducting research on reading people's thoughts (obviously they didn't turn any results). The US recovered a few of these scientists in "operation paperclip" and it is rumored they continued research covertly with a few of these scientists on the "stargate project" (also didn't yield any results, you can look both of these up on wikipedia as they are both documented). I'm not going to say that there can never be extracerebral activity possible under any circumstance, however, I don't think this world has seen any of it yet, we don't use 10% of our brains, we only use 10% at any given instant, we use 100% of our total brain mass in a given week, genetically we were not designed for telekinesis, our brains are the exact size we use and nothing more, there is also no standard scientific explanation for psychic stuff (eg. electromagnetics/electromagnetic waves... etc), that's why it's very hard to prove and it gets into the "oogy boogy" range.

EDIT: I see people talking about "energy doing stuff". This is complete academic BS, "energy" does not exist, there is no such thing as generic energy, there is kinetic energy and potential energy, period. Electrical energy is just a derivitave of potential energy, even the strings in string theory are still a derivative of electrical energy, there is conservation of energy. The average human body contains aproximatly 1.2 volts in (indirect) electrical charge through ion interactions at any given time, during a seisure (where all nerves release energy) this can jump to over 10 volts, however for this energy to do anything to the world around it, there would need to exist a sort of biological electrical transformer, the existance of such in the human body is inconclusive, 10 volts is not enough to send a form of directed energy, period. Even though the body contains a remarkable amount of energy in storage (14 Megajoules per pound of fat) and is remarkably efficient at converting food to energy, 10 volts, even if it was concentrated on one point couldn't even pierce the skin, let alone create a field large enough to reach across the earth (remote viewing) or lift objects (telekinesis), or any other remarkable stuff... humans simply aren't built for it. The closest thing we have on this planet to "telepathy" is the electric eel.


EDIT 2: For the record, everything is made of energy (according to string theory), however matter (at least solid matter) is not as much "empty space" as one might think, the electrons outside of a nucleus occupy space, because of the continuous charge contour they create.

Continuing on the brain thing - apparently, if you ever used 100% of your brain power at a time you'd have a seizure an die. The neurons can't fire all at once or you're going to have a seizure. Hence, epileptics.