Thread: if LDing is real then what about. . .

Originally Posted by Chaos Theory

You can't hurt anything physical with it.

I see.... so then it has no physical presence, if i read that right.

It's invisible to most people, however, it is easily felt in the hands.

I think identity was hinting at this, if it's invisible to most people then it's "oogy boogy".

Herein i will state the difference between energy and what you guys are talking about. Physical energy is a scientific concept, by scientific i mean that everyone, and i mean EVERYONE with no exceptions, can see its effects. If i take a flourescant light and hold it near a tesla coil, everyone in the room is going to see that flourescant light light up. However, if you use your qi energy to light up that flourescent light, and only two people in a room of 100 people see it, it's not energy, because it's not repeatable. And if it's not repeatable, it's not scientific, and if it's not scientific it's not a physical force but a mental apparition/exercise.

EDIT: oh, so it's a visualization process, you're not claiming to be able to do anything extraordinary with it. In that case, that's cool and is a legitimate technique.

Originally Posted by trigotron

I see.... so then it has no physical presence, if i read that right.



I think identity was hinting at this, if it's invisible to most people then it's "oogy boogy".

Actually when I've done Chi which has been about 2-3 years now I feel a different sensation within my body and hands the before I start the visulization process.

Physical Prescence? No, you mis understood what I meant. I mean you can't blow buildings up with it like " b1g bang " or something of the sort. Many people mistake it for that.

Perhaps manifestation through visualization is self hypnosis. How is life different from self hypnosis?

How often are people going to make up new "particles" something consists of, when we keep finding the particles consist of 99% nothingness?
Matter can be seen as a form of energy, and energy as a form of matter. Just like horses can be forms of animals, and animals kinds of horses. It depends on what's most convenient. Like Bob said, reality seems to be what You can get away with.

And those 3d images are fake. There is no image to be seen in it. I can't see it. There are people who tell me how i can. I tried it but i can't. I don't believe You.

Ok, a thought.

This arguing isn't going anywhere. A couple of people have suggested doing a video, but there would probably be something invalidating it.

So may I suggest that the anti-PK people make a comprehensive list of conditions, to eliminate as much fakery as possible. Then if someone can make a video showing PK under these conditions, or everybody refuses to, then we have somewhere to go with this, and a side that might be winning. And since it's going to be your side that wins, since the other side is obviously wrong, you should have no problems with this.

Other things:

• Make sure the list is comprehensive. If you make one, and then call them on something obvious that you did not list, and might be missed - well, that's just not fair, and makes more work.
• Surely someone can at least borrow a decent camera if they don't have one.
• Psi wheels apparently are very easy to disturb, so it might be better to avoid them.
• And the swallows dance above the sun, the swallows dance above the sun yeah.

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In that form, it exists.

You guys will just have to experience it.

Originally Posted by fajam00m00

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lmao!

Originally Posted by lseadragon

Ok, a thought.

This arguing isn't going anywhere. A couple of people have suggested doing a video, but there would probably be something invalidating it.

So may I suggest that the anti-PK people make a comprehensive list of conditions, to eliminate as much fakery as possible. Then if someone can make a video showing PK under these conditions, or everybody refuses to, then we have somewhere to go with this, and a side that might be winning. And since it's going to be your side that wins, since the other side is obviously wrong, you should have no problems with this.

Other things:

• Make sure the list is comprehensive. If you make one, and then call them on something obvious that you did not list, and might be missed - well, that's just not fair, and makes more work.
• Surely someone can at least borrow a decent camera if they don't have one.
• Psi wheels apparently are very easy to disturb, so it might be better to avoid them.
• And the swallows dance above the sun, the swallows dance above the sun yeah.

Video is simply not good evidence. I can come up with a great video out of nowhere with my MacBook. Or someone can jack a previous existing video. All kinds of things.

I'd be comfortable with someone reading my mind or remote viewing my location and describing in detail what's around me.

Wig, I agree with you for once. A video simply is not good evidence and I will simply not waste my time making a video for it to be bashed and talked about how it is fake. I mean, even "The best psi wheel video ever" got bashed. If you haven't seen that video, go to youtube.com and search for "The best psi wheel video ever"

Also, it is physical, it's just not visible to most people wihtout training. You can affect physical things, just not as exaggerated as DBZ..unfortunetely. :p

Originally Posted by Chaos Theory

Actually when I've done Chi which has been about 2-3 years now I feel a different sensation within my body and hands the before I start the visulization process.

Yes, you can feel it. But, guess what? I can create that feeling throughout my entire body AT WILL. And that's not a joke, nor is it exaggeration. It's simply a relaxation/mental focus exercise. Nothing more - nothing less.

Physical Prescence? No, you mis understood what I meant. I mean you can't blow buildings up with it like " b1g bang " or something of the sort. Many people mistake it for that.

It's only an internal sensation created by the purposeful focus of attention.

Originally Posted by lseadragon

So may I suggest that the anti-PK people make a comprehensive list of conditions, to eliminate as much fakery as possible.

What we are against is the mislabeling of phenomena. I don't think people are doubting the ability to "feel the energy". What's up for debate is exactly what that "energy" is. It's merely an internal sensation, not a created energy or manifestation of anything out of the ordinary.

It's like trying to claim the goosebumps are the effect of creating some sort of mystical electrostatic field of energy around ourselves. It clearly is not.

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Originally Posted by Mocari

And those 3d images are fake. There is no image to be seen in it. I can't see it. There are people who tell me how i can. I tried it but i can't. I don't believe You.

Clever as you think you are, the fact is that special viewers can be built to MAKE you see what's there. Can you do that with this magical, mystical ball of energy in your hands? I submit the concrete answer to be no.