Thread: if LDing is real then what about. . .

I am sticking to what I have said about my views about psi. I didn't give you my other piece of evidence as I don't have any. I gave what the other person posted, only to clear up what he meant. I don't have any proof for you, nor do I care to show any. Can I make it clearer? :p

I don't want to show you proof. I don't care that you don't believe. I have no proof to show you. I stick to what I have said about my opinions about psi.

Originally Posted by magicdood

I don't want to show you proof. I don't care that you don't believe. I have no proof to show you. I stick to what I have said about my opinions about psi.

I can live with this. There is no reason for me to question that this is indeed your opinion.

Thank you. I am tired of people saying, "oh that's not true, you are just saying that." Finally someone who realizes that my opinions could differ from his own! Those are my truthful opinions, just so you know, and I'm glad one of you finally accepted that!

Thank you,
Brandon

Originally Posted by magicdood

Finally someone who realizes that my opinions could differ from his own! Those are my truthful opinions, just so you know, and I'm glad one of you finally accepted that!

Sure, you have a right to have blind faith. I also have a right to question it, though you don't have to answer.

Just trying to encourage rational thought where I can. The only rational position on this matter is that we cannot know for sure, but the lack of evidence suggests that it's wishful thinking. You can believe whatever you want, but be aware that being entirely convinced that it's true without any good evidence is a dangerous path.

No evidence! I have experienced it. I have sent a psi shape and color and the person identified it, correctly countless times. I have felt the affects of psi numerous times. I have moved many objects without touch of physical means. There is plenty of evidence that I have proved to my self. Not blind faith, I practiced and succeeded. I admit there was a little blind faith at the beginning before I got success, then I knew it was real.

So I have evidence for myself. It's not wishful thinking. I have shown two friends psychokinesis in real life, and then they were able to do it. Simply not wishful thinking, but real evidence.

So yes, I do know for sure that it is real. It's now up to you to decide if you want to know for yourself or not. hehe...what an inspirational last sentence!!

Originally Posted by magicdood

Thank you. I am tired of people saying, "oh that's not true, you are just saying that." Finally someone who realizes that my opinions could differ from his own! Those are my truthful opinions, just so you know, and I'm glad one of you finally accepted that!

Thank you,
Brandon

Tell me something Brandon, if your opinion is that the moon doesn't exist, should we take your seriously? I mean, I can accept you believe it, but that would just make you crazy.

Or to put it into something you actually believe in, you told us that you believe one day you can fly. And that is your opinion. Sorry if we don't take you as seriously as you'd like.

That's fine, I don't mind. It doesn't bother me that you don't take me seriously. I should feel bad for you if anything, seeing as you don't get to experience what I do. :p

No, I wouldn't take me seriously if I said the moon doesn't exist because it has been proven scientifically to exist. Of course, what I'm talking about hasn't been proven, so that means it still COULD BE REAL just hasn't been proven. Or I'm crazy. I think I already know what you believe, but my 2 normal friends saw quite differently. I have seen quite differently and I get along in life just fine! I'm actually not crazy. I just have an open mind.

Originally Posted by magicdood

No evidence! I have experienced it. I have sent a psi shape and color and the person identified it, correctly countless times. I have felt the affects of psi numerous times. I have moved many objects without touch of physical means. There is plenty of evidence that I have proved to my self. Not blind faith, I practiced and succeeded.

Do you have any idea how much I want for this stuff to be real? I ask you, if you really DO have these abilities, and you appreciate the value of the American dollar, why not take the million dollar challenge? Hell, your friends can do it and get a million bucks, too!

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
"At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event."


Honestly. If you believe you have these abilities so strongly, why not go show the world, and get a million bucks while you're at it?

Now, you have to have a scientific or good educational backround. And I have alraedy posted all this. And someone tried to get in and wasn't aloud. That challenge is flawed. And, I don't want money. Sorry. It's hard for someone like you who is attached to physical things to believe, but money isn't everything!

Originally Posted by magicdood

1) Now, you have to have a scientific or good educational backround. And I have alraedy posted all this. And someone tried to get in and wasn't aloud. That challenge is flawed. 2) And, I don't want money. Sorry. It's hard for someone like you who is attached to physical things to believe, but money isn't everything!

1) Bullshit. You haven't tried.
2) Bullshit. Everyone could use money. Of course it's not everything, but if your abilities come as easy as you claim, then you can get it for free. Why wouldn't you want free money?

Because you have no abilities and are making this up to sound interesting online. That's what I believe.

You are free to believe that. In fact, I couldn't say that I wouldn't believe the same thing if I was in your position. You are making the "logical" belief. You are making sense. I don't blame you!

However, I know what I have experienced...simple as that. I'm cracking a smile right now. I just can't help. It's funny how you are telling me this stuff is fake. Ok sorry, I'm getting control of myself!

Randi's challenge is flawed. You also MUST have a scientific back round or a high educational degree. That is true. It is not bullshit. Don't be ignorant.

Originally Posted by magicdood

However, I know what I have experienced...simple as that. I'm cracking a smile right now. I just can't help. It's funny how you are telling me this stuff is fake. Ok sorry, I'm getting control of myself!

Anything scientifically true should be replicable. You claim that you were able to get two of your friends to exhibit telekinesis. Would you at least then be willing to explain to us your method of teaching them? You should theoretically be able to get us to exhibit telekinesis as well, no?

And I'm not buying your excuse for the million dollar challenge. Even if you don't want to do that for some strange reason, why not go on the news? Get an article written about you in the paper? Why not just walk into MIT one day and show off a bit?

Cause that's not what life is all about believe it or not. All you want is fame and money. I have some morals, beliefs and goals.

Originally Posted by magicdood

Cause that's not what life is all about believe it or not. All you want is fame and money. I have some morals, beliefs and goals.

Thank you for the baseless personal attack. My passing interest in picking up a few thousand dollars and revolutionizing neuroscience as we know it is not indicative of poor moral fiber or lack of life goals. At all.

Now teach me to move things with my mind.

Haha clever response. I give you that one.

Originally Posted by magicdood

That's fine, I don't mind. It doesn't bother me that you don't take me seriously. I should feel bad for you if anything, seeing as you don't get to experience what I do. :p

No, I wouldn't take me seriously if I said the moon doesn't exist because it has been proven scientifically to exist. Of course, what I'm talking about hasn't been proven, so that means it still COULD BE REAL just hasn't been proven. Or I'm crazy. I think I already know what you believe, but my 2 normal friends saw quite differently. I have seen quite differently and I get along in life just fine! I'm actually not crazy. I just have an open mind.

Dear god sir, anything that hasn't been proven could be real. Having an open mind has nothing to do with believing in things, that are quite far fetched, that haven't been proven yet. Having an open mind is willingness to try different foods or music, having an open mind is willingness to accept that your scientific belief differs mine and maybe mine may be right (or yours) but the difference is those beliefs can be proven.

My inability to believe in thing that are basically scientific impossible does not mean I'm closed mind.

But see, I don't have to worry about what maybe be right. I already know what is right. Don't you see. I'm 100% that I am right. And how could I not be?

What makes psi and pk far fetched. That's your view, your judgment. In reality, if you were born believing you could do pk, it wouldn't be far fetched. Society has made it that way, and you are just another follower. Sorry to be so blunt, and I don't mean to be mean, but you have been shaped. Far fetched is just a judgment that we as humans associate with something. In reality, it just is.

A man once told me there is a difference between knowledge and information.
He said, information is just a bunch of facts, while knowledge is when someone has reinforced facts with experience. Information almost means nothing to someone if they haven't experienced it, and turned it into knowledge.
I said to the man, "Yes, books are knowledge." He said no. Books are written by people who have experienced things. To you, that book is just useless information, to the author, that book is something he/she can believe, because he/she has experienced it.

This discussion falls on the same field.

Magicdood has experienced Psionics first hand, while the others, have not. Magicdood will always believe in Psionics because of what he has experienced, but those who haven't will never truly believe in what he says; what he says is just information to them.

With all this said, this discussion is utterly pointless. You will never convince the other side with what you have to say.

Originally Posted by Nameless Epitaph

A man once told me there is a difference between knowledge and information.
He said, information is just a bunch of facts, while knowledge is when someone has reinforced facts with experience. Information almost means nothing to someone if they haven't experienced it, and turned it into knowledge.
I said to the man, "Yes, books are knowledge." He said no. Books are written by people who have experienced things. To you, that book is just useless information, to the author, that book is something he/she can believe, because he/she has experienced it.

This discussion falls on the same field.

Magicdood has experienced Psionics first hand, while the others, have not. Magicdood will always believe in Psionics because of what he has experienced, but those who haven't will never truly believe in what he says; what he says is just information to them.

With all this said, this discussion is utterly pointless. You will never convince the other side with what you have to say.

Welcome to the Internet.

Originally Posted by magicdood

But see, I don't have to worry about what maybe be right. I already know what is right. Don't you see. I'm 100% that I am right. And how could I not be?

What makes psi and pk far fetched. That's your view, your judgment. In reality, if you were born believing you could do pk, it wouldn't be far fetched. Society has made it that way, and you are just another follower. Sorry to be so blunt, and I don't mean to be mean, but you have been shaped. Far fetched is just a judgment that we as humans associate with something. In reality, it just is.

Oh god, shaped? Yeah, I've been shaped. Considering the majority of people are not even "born" from psi and the number of people that don't have psi compared to those who do is so large that if we say something is far fetched, it's far fetched.

The fact is you made a claim that requires evidence for a reasonable person to even take serious and now you're getting all upset and saying it's real to you and you're sorry "we" can't experience it. I haven't been shaped. You're just mesmerized no one can believe in you're far fetched claims and then spout off "close minded!!!!!"

This has been 17 pages of arguments, and no one has really swayed anyone. So with that in mind, I'm just going to stop responding as it is, as Nameless says, utterly pointless. No, I am not saying that I was lying, as I certainly wasn't, but I just don't think it's worth it to have a pointless debate. No one is giving an inch, and it's pointless to keep arguing.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Thank you for the baseless personal attack. My passing interest in picking up a few thousand dollars and revolutionizing neuroscience as we know it is not indicative of poor moral fiber or lack of life goals. At all.

Now teach me to move things with my mind.

Why don't you actually TRY? Face it, you'll never make Magidood budge. www.mytkgroup.tk <--- If you really want to learn it, use my guide, it is my own, personal method.

Originally Posted by The Wig

Welcome to the Internet.

Welcome to ignorance is more like it. :p

I was told that if you don't believe you wont be able to do it. Does that mean if you don't care you wont be able to do it either? As in, I wonder if this is real, I think I'll try, but either way oh well, its not important. Would someone be able to do it under those conditions? :p

Btw, most of the people who don't believe in psi and etc. are only this way because they were skeptical at first, then asked for proof, when no one could prove it, they assumed they were lieing. Becuase if they weren't lieing why would they want to keep everyone else ignorant to this information?

Extra note: What all do you believe you can do? (those of you that believe you can)

Well, sandform, since I'm not arguing, I guess I'll post again, but nothing more argumentative.

I was skeptical at first, of course! Who woulnd't be?! It seems pretty "far fetched" from what we have been brought up to believe. I acknowladge it sounds pretty weird. However, I let myself believe in this stuff, practiced hard and saw results. And then, and only then, did my beliefs truly change for good. That's why I can understand your guy's argument. I've been there. But i've also progressed due to practice.

I don't wanna get into what I "believe" I can do, as that will only start more fights!

p.s. Were not keeping everyone ignorant. We've given plenty of information for you guys to start practicing and see results! We're not HOLDING anyone BACK. I don't understand where you come up with this stuff! :p