Thread: Dont you wish...? (mostly for people who ALSO belive in dream sharing)

If dream sharing is really possible, that means that dreams are actually real at some level, and that would be bad, because dreams would no longer be completely free and repercussion-less. So no.

Hi Young JC,
I like that tone of thinking myself. Lets put it another way. Suppose what ever you think of or imagine in this life manifests itself into existance in the other world, and after you die in this one, you go to that one to play among what you have created. What say you?
Blessings
Vee

what does MMO mean?

Originally Posted by lagunagirl

what does MMO mean?

Massively Multiplayer Online (Game/Role-Playing Game/First-Person Shooter)

thegnome54: is the world of Azeroth (World of Warcraft) more real because thousands of players can experience it simultaneously? No matter how many people interface with that game world, it's still a bunch of data in a server, and the details of that world are still only as real as our visual perceptions of it. So if two people share the same dream, it's still just a collection of firing synapses at our "real" level just the game world is a bunch of 0s and 1s on a hard drive. Sharing that vision doesn't make dreams more real... what it does make more real is the mental connection that would make such a thing possible.

I mean, are mass hallucinations more real than individual ones?

ok...say this was possible (even though i dont believe a bit in dream sharing)...

what happens if one person tries to use dream control to affect anothers dreams? do you know how annoying it would be having someone walk into my lucids and use powers to pick me up and throw me to the middle of nowhere...

and say you got into a lucid fight? there can never be a winner....dream control has no restraints. it would get so dumb it wouldnt be funny

people could dream away your lucid possessions

bad idea and thankfully impossible

I would be cool - if you could pick and choose who to share dreams with, but the idea on the whole would be a bad one I think because as said before, dreams are about the only place YOU can do what YOU want, with no one telling you what to do or how it should e done

actually something else i just thought of

if there were real people in LDs...then what you do with them or to them affects them....

but if you made a DC version of the person....then there would be doubles or more running around and that would just get confusing

and if people can drastically alter form or appearance...then there'd be lucid spying and eavesdropping.

also, you have potential to realise 100% control against DCs...but against real people...its whoever has better control verse another....

and what if celebrities became lucid...they would be like lucid swamped for lucid autographs..or lucid kidnapped or some crap

once again - not practical...

:lol @ lucid swamped for autographs

this would bring cheating to a whole new level ...

Originally Posted by Spamtek

Massively Multiplayer Online (Game/Role-Playing Game/First-Person Shooter)

thegnome54: is the world of Azeroth (World of Warcraft) more real because thousands of players can experience it simultaneously? No matter how many people interface with that game world, it's still a bunch of data in a server, and the details of that world are still only as real as our visual perceptions of it. So if two people share the same dream, it's still just a collection of firing synapses at our "real" level just the game world is a bunch of 0s and 1s on a hard drive. Sharing that vision doesn't make dreams more real... what it does make more real is the mental connection that would make such a thing possible.

I mean, are mass hallucinations more real than individual ones?

In an MMO, everyone is connected to the server and their individual computers see different parts of the world on the server. In a shared lucid dream, each person's mind would have to be getting signals from some 'ultimate dream world', which would mean that dreams are something more than just neurons firing. That's my point. If dreams are just in our heads, there's no way to have a real shared dream. If we CAN have shared dreams, there must be something more, a higher level of processing where all of our dreams come from.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

In an MMO, everyone is connected to the server and their individual computers see different parts of the world on the server. In a shared lucid dream, each person's mind would have to be getting signals from some 'ultimate dream world', which would mean that dreams are something more than just neurons firing. That's my point. If dreams are just in our heads, there's no way to have a real shared dream. If we CAN have shared dreams, there must be something more, a higher level of processing where all of our dreams come from.

Still beg to differ. I don't see what's stopping two dreamers who "connect" to each other (besides hard science... ignore that silly detail) and establish a shared world baseline that gets updated in both dreamers' heads simultaneously when either one tries to do something. Each mind is checking the other's mental map and making sure it's in balance with it, and when either one sends a signal to change that environment in some way, the other brain reads that signal too and makes the necessary changes.

Easiest example I can think of is OpenCanvas sketching vs. oekaki sketching. In OpenCanvas, two (or more? It may be limited to two) artists connect to each other directly and start with a blank canvas. Whenever one draws, the same marks appear on the other's canvas, so both experience the same piece of art, yet that art isn't being regulated and served to them by some outside database. In contrast an open oekaki board is something hosted on a website which mediates between everyone who contributes to the artwork and everyone else who sees it. They all make marks on the canvas and see the gestalt of them all combined, but in this case a central server does maintain the status quo.

Originally Posted by Spamtek

Easiest example I can think of is OpenCanvas sketching vs. oekaki sketching. In OpenCanvas, two (or more? It may be limited to two) artists connect to each other directly and start with a blank canvas. Whenever one draws, the same marks appear on the other's canvas, so both experience the same piece of art, yet that art isn't being regulated and served to them by some outside database. In contrast an open oekaki board is something hosted on a website which mediates between everyone who contributes to the artwork and everyone else who sees it. They all make marks on the canvas and see the gestalt of them all combined, but in this case a central server does maintain the status quo.

Good point, I concede defeat. I was going to argue that no true shared dream could occur based on the intrinsic differences in the way people process the world - they wouldn't be able to perceive the information in the other person's head correctly. But then I realized that no one really sees the REAL WORLD the same way, but that doesn't make it any less real.

So yes, I guess if we ignore hard science and a touch of logic, it is possible to have shared lucid dreams without anything excessively otherworldly involved.