I know all the tutorials and I know what they are called. I'm no noob. I am aware you are in your longer stages of REM after around 4 hours. But I wasn't trying to do a WBTB. Instead of staying awake for around a half hour and reading lucid dream material, I just simply wake up, switch rooms in a matter of minutes and don't think of lucid dreaming. When I do this it usually comes natural to me