Thread: Is it possible to LD without waiting for REM?

Personally, I wouldn't stick to the scientific concepts too strongly.
I imagine: if you're dreaming, you could be lucid.

I read LaBerge's book with explanations of the sleep cycles a while ago so I don't even remember exactly whether the REM stage is on the same level but a different stage from delta sleep and whatnot but if that's the case then I imagine that you can be lucid at any stage that causes dreams. When you're dreaming, you could become aware of it.

Hey there,

Like Merlock said, it's possible, yes. There's been reports of people who've done it (I'm one of those people).

That said, it's a lot less probable though. Generally speaking it's a lot harder to get lucid during non-REM dreams, and when you do, it's a lot harder to make them solid and real enough to actually be anything more then a fleeting collection of vague sensations.

Speaking for myself, i've been lucid dreaming for some fifteen years, and can probably still count the amount of non-REM lucid dreams on the fingers of my two hands. All of them, except for three or so non-REM wilds were accidental too.

But it can be done, although it's probably not something I'd recommend actively pursuing unless you're actually interested in the phenomenon itself.

Just my 2 cents,

-Redrivertears-

Well, this is going to fly in the face of accepted "wisdom" about LDing, but I aver that it's possible to LD without even falling asleep first. I've done it myself and it was a big shock to my system, I can tell you. You need a very high standard of visualisation to do it, but if you have that, it's eminently possible.

I see... So it's possible, but not nearly as vivid? Interesting.

I haven't succesfully WILDed yet, but I wanted to know if it was possible because I have trouble performing my WBTB, let alone remaining conscious after waking.

i guess being lucid during the hypnagogic phase that precedes sleep could indeed qualify as LD, though its not REM yet... and therefore, unstable and no so vivid... i second redrivertears opinion, and i myself have done it...