Thread: Pavlov - Conditioning effect

Hey there,

Do note that Pavlov and the early "behaviorists" detested the use of the word unconscious or subconscious

Pavlov's experiment was about instinctual reflexes and behaviours in reaction to conditioned triggers. They had nothing subconscious about them. It involved a purely physiological reaction. What you're talking about is about creating mental associations between various conscious concepts. The method that you propose is in fact not Pavlovian Conditioning at all, but is closer to modern day condition.

Just to get the semantics right

That said, your idea is interesting, but I predict if it works at all the effects will be temporary. Try it out I'd say though, I'd be interested in hearing your results.

Do be careful of what song you pick, because realize that any song *already* has associations that come with it. The words, the phrases, the style of the music all have certain associations with them already, that might interfere with what you're trying to do (don't pick the song they played on the night you asked your wife to marry you for instance!).

Incidentally, personally I think the use of reality checks operates pretty much on the same way, by trying to condition yourself to do a reality check every hour or every time your watch beeps or simply as much as possible, with the hope that this 'conditioned' response will carry through in your dreams. The results so far, if you ask me, are highly variable. For some people it works excellently, for some people it hardly works at all.

Just my 2 cents,

-Redrivertears-

Originally Posted by Redrivertears

Hey there,

Do be careful of what song you pick, because realize that any song *already* has associations that come with it. The words, the phrases, the style of the music all have certain associations with them already, that might interfere with what you're trying to do (don't pick the song they played on the night you asked your wife to marry you for instance!).


Just my 2 cents,

-Redrivertears-

Exactly, that is why I suggested something original. Such as the dreaming mp3's people created on here. My luck I would pick a song I got beat up listening too or something and totally forgot hahahaha.

No but seriously though. I would love to try this out but have been at a stand still with my Lucid dreams lately. Maybe someone who has them a bit more often would have better luck than I. Of course maybe this is exactly what I need....

Originally Posted by Lucid Dragon

Exactly, that is why I suggested something original. Such as the dreaming mp3's people created on here. My luck I would pick a song I got beat up listening too or something and totally forgot hahahaha.

No but seriously though. I would love to try this out but have been at a stand still with my Lucid dreams lately. Maybe someone who has them a bit more often would have better luck than I. Of course maybe this is exactly what I need....

Agreed.

Exact opposite suggestion. Find a song that is played often on the radio or you listen to everyday. Then train yourself to use that song as a RC.

Originally Posted by Umbrasquall

Exact opposite suggestion. Find a song that is played often on the radio or you listen to everyday. Then train yourself to use that song as a RC.

The problem with that is that you need to make some sort of conditioning affect. If you chose a song you hear often, such as when you are driving around, what would make the connection to Lucid dreams? Just hearing a song a lot won't do the trick because you have to make the song mean something. That is why I suggested "reading about Lucid dreams" while listening to a particular song. If you chose one that is constantly played all over the place, there is no way you can constantly read about lucid dreams every time. You need it to be constant and the song to have a connection to Lucid dreams and nothing else as much as possible. Does that make any sense to you guys?

Try this out and let me know how it works. I've tried something like this before with different items, people, but it never worked out too well. I could remember that the chosen entity was special, but not always become lucid from that realization.

Originally Posted by Ethereal_Apprentice

Try this out and let me know how it works. I've tried something like this before with different items, people, but it never worked out too well. I could remember that the chosen entity was special, but not always become lucid from that realization.

Ya I will let you know. I am giving it a few days worth of trying because I believe its going to take a bit before your brain makes a connection. But as much as I have been doing it already who knows.