Thread: Hynogogic imagery < eyes NOT included

Spartiate, thanks for putting some science behind that!

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Thanks Howie. Glad someone stood up to the challenge of explaining this properly.
To extrapolate though. We all are initially staring at the darkness that is the back of our eyelids.
How are we to automatically see the HI not from here?
How does it transition to our mind vision?

Thank you DreamChaser

You do not stare at anything. You don't "do".
I like this quote even though it pertains to listening it follows along the same train of thought.
"Listening is such a simple act. It requires us to be present, and that takes practice, but we don't have to do anything else. We don't have to advise, or coach or sound wise. We just have to be willing to sit there and listen."

As our conscious, wakeful mind begins to give way to our unconscious, or I like to call it the subconscious mind, the abstract begins to take hold. As a result the images.
The closer you are to entering the sleep state the more dream like the images get.
So like in a dream, you see, but you are not using your eyes to do so. (In a literal sense) It is a figment of our imagination and derivatives of our subconscious renderings.

Originally Posted by Howie

Spartiate, thanks for putting some science behind that!



Thank you DreamChaser

You do not stare at anything. You don't "do".
I like this quote even though it pertains to listening it follows along the same train of thought.
"Listening is such a simple act. It requires us to be present, and that takes practice, but we don't have to do anything else. We don't have to advise, or coach or sound wise. We just have to be willing to sit there and listen."

As our conscious, wakeful mind begins to give way to our unconscious, or I like to call it the subconscious mind, the abstract begins to take hold. As a result the images.
The closer you are to entering the sleep state the more dream like the images get.
So like in a dream, you see, but you are not using your eyes to do so. (In a literal sense) It is a figment of our imagination and derivatives of our subconscious renderings.

Cool. Ok. So we are relaxed in bed and at the moment looking at our backeyelids.
We don't want this, even though we can see sort of HI on the backs of our eyelids right.
We don't do anything. Aren't we liable to fall asleep or something?
Do we dissreguard the backs of the eyelids to imagine scenes in our minds eye?
What I mean is if we don't do anything we end up looking at our eyelids.
Hope this common thought process makes sense.
Don't mean to sound perdantic.

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Cool. Ok. So we are relaxed in bed and at the moment looking at our backeyelids.
We don't want this, even though we can see sort of HI on the backs of our eyelids right.
We don't do anything. Aren't we liable to fall asleep or something?
Do we dissreguard the backs of the eyelids to imagine scenes in our minds eye?
What I mean is if we don't do anything we end up looking at our eyelids.
Hope this common thought process makes sense.
Don't mean to sound perdantic.

It can be and is often a seemingly simple topic, but it is not.
Take a look at the HIT technique itself, see if that helps any.

When you say you are looking at your eyelids. You are in an attempt to see something.
If you do not look at anything, images will manifest.
"Liable to fall asleep" Good point. That is the key. You have to find the happy medium that allows you to have a conscious awareness of the process that is unfolding, the HI - yet at the same time, allow your subconscious to take you to into sleep...aware, conscious, and lucid.
It is a form of a WILD. It is wake initiated.

Originally Posted by Howie

It can be and is often a seemingly simple topic, but it is not.
Take a look at the HIT technique itself, see if that helps any.

When you say you are looking at your eyelids. You are in an attempt to see something.
If you do not look at anything, images will manifest.
"Liable to fall asleep" Good point. That is the key. You have to find the happy medium that allows you to have a conscious awareness of the process that is unfolding, the HI - yet at the same time, allow your subconscious to take you to into sleep...aware, conscious, and lucid.
It is a form of a WILD. It is wake initiated.

In that HIT technique it says "Step Two:
As you begin to relax close your eyes and observe any visual images that will gradually appear. Don't concentrate on any one image. Just let the images flow and watch how they begin and end.
You will at first see fleeting patterns and images. As these images progress, they will develop into scenes that become more similar to a dream scene. More complex.
At this point you are beginning to crossover from a wakeful state into a sleeping state."

Again, "as you begin to relax and close your eyes and observe visual images."
How do you do that if you are not looking at anything? Eyelid blackness for eg.
Do you mean blur your eyes with them shut to not be able to look at anything, but then how do you see the images.
It is all a little confusing. Are we not looking at our eyelids when we close them, does it automatically transition to your mind view?
(thank you for your patience Howie)