waking rem?

[egizmo]

i can vibrate my eyes while im awake in the day time at will, can this affect dreams in any way?

[G0MPgomp]

You can probably drop right in to REM - sleep, like me. I can to vibrate the eyes. I can even do things like expanding and decreasing my iris at will .. The body is a tool, one should really learn to use all of it!

[StephenT]

What? That's crazy! I want to learn how to expand my retinas. I could have so much fun doing that. I doubt that vibrating your eyes could make you drop into REM, but who knows? Go for it and if it works teach me how to do it!

[egizmo]

i guess ill try it , but im wondering if vibrating my eyes while going to sleep will keep me awake

[arby]

Err, sorry to rain on this parade but isn't REM an effect not a cause?

[G0MPgomp]

i guess ill try it , but im wondering if vibrating my eyes while going to sleep will keep me awake They way I do it by intention, is by letting the "keep" of.. (Cannot find the right word.) Kind of like stopping to stir the water, to make it be still... It is effortless.. The effort is keeping them out of REM ...

[StephenT]

Err, sorry to rain on this parade but isn't REM an effect not a cause? That's what I thought. Still though, how do you expand your iris?

[egizmo]

huh?

[wer]

i can vibrate my eyes while im awake in the day time at will, can this affect dreams in any way? I don't think so. I've met a couple people who could vibrate their eye balls. It has absolutely nothing to do with lucid dreaming. You could manage to freak people out with your skill, though . REM involves being asleep or in a state very close to sleep. I don't doubt, however, that if one tried one could enter a dream like state when completely awake.

[G0MPgomp]

That's what I thought. Still though, how do you expand your iris? Same way one moves ones finger to press the keys one want to press when one wants it..

[seeker28]

About 10 years ago I was in a class that taught how to alter your brain wave pattern. For example, Alpha waves are associated with being awake. Delta and Theta waves are associated with sleep and dreaming. We were hooked up to machines that measured our brain waves. I learned how to go from Alpha waves to Theta waves just by thinking about it. Whenever I switched to theta my eyes would start vibrating and moving of their own, like in REM sleep. Unfortunatly after the class ended I didn't keep up with the practice and can't do it easily at will anymore. So, I can see how it is possible.

[Hazel]

My friend's little sister can do that, it's sort of freaky! But seriously, that really might help you to WILD better!

[Bonsay]

Aren't Alpha waves associated with relaxation and the first stage of sleep? I think that Gamma and Beta are the wakeful brainwaves. But yes, it does happen, the eye movement. People here mention it all the time, when they start a WILD or something like that.

[egizmo]

yes, i know but i do it in the day time

[awoke]

I can vibrate my eyes/make them shake back and forth really fast too. dont think theres any applicable use to lucid dreaming in that though. Rapid Eye Movement(REM), just means your eyes are moving around. like they do in real life when your looking around at things. they dont move as fast as the "eye shaking" thing in waking life.

[egizmo]

thx 4 clearing that up

[Kromoh]

alright, REM may nto influence anything worthy for LDing purposes BUT I'm am 120% sure it is possible to induce REM sleep just like in meditation.. afterall, REM is just a pattern your thoughts follow

[wer]

About 10 years ago I was in a class that taught how to alter your brain wave pattern. For example, Alpha waves are associated with being awake. Delta and Theta waves are associated with sleep and dreaming. We were hooked up to machines that measured our brain waves. I learned how to go from Alpha waves to Theta waves just by thinking about it. Whenever I switched to theta my eyes would start vibrating and moving of their own, like in REM sleep. Unfortunatly after the class ended I didn't keep up with the practice and can't do it easily at will anymore. So, I can see how it is possible. Interesting. Please share your technique if you can remember it.

[Jdeadevil]

I want to be able to grow long arms and turn into Godzilla. While I'm asleep

[Shaman]

Each night your sleep is brought on mostly by production of melatonin and dimethyltriptimine, an antioxidant and a psychedelic chemical, both from the pineal gland. It has been shown that it is possible to manipulate glands in the body, the Tibetan monks have done this sort of thing. I doubt anyone's been able to release dimethyltriptimine while waking though, if you could, you would be able to make yourself hallucinate. Narcolepsy however, is going from waking directly to REM. So there might be something to that.

[wer]

Each night your sleep is brought on mostly by production of melatonin and dimethyltriptimine, an antioxidant and a psychedelic chemical, both from the pineal gland. It has been shown that it is possible to manipulate glands in the body, the Tibetan monks have done this sort of thing. I doubt anyone's been able to release dimethyltriptimine while waking though, if you could, you would be able to make yourself hallucinate. Narcolepsy however, is going from waking directly to REM. So there might be something to that. The theory that dimethyltryptamine is release during sleep is exactly that: pure theory. It has been found in the blood, brain, and spine however. DMTs an antioxidant??? Never heard that before...