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    Thread: If waking life is a dream, how could we really wake up?

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      Sorry LF, I'm not sure I follow you!

      "And if in our sleep and dreams we perceive, more distinctly than in the day-life, signs of the highest beauty and the purest bliss, - should we not then give them our closest attention?"

      Frederick van Eeden

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      PJ, thanks so much for your ideas – I feel that this discussion could go on for a very long time. However, it would also take us way off topic (and I’d have to start quoting Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Daniel Dennett...). So maybe we’ll pick up some other time!

      I’d also like to thank others who contributed to this thread – it really got me thinking about some fundamental things, and I think I’ve been able to reach a few new (but perhaps not definitive) conclusions.


      "And if in our sleep and dreams we perceive, more distinctly than in the day-life, signs of the highest beauty and the purest bliss, - should we not then give them our closest attention?"

      Frederick van Eeden

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      It has been my pleasure to engage in a discussion at this level without it degenerating into what we have become famous for here at DV. Perhaps there is yet hope.

      I might even do it again some day.
      On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux.
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      The temptation to quit will be greatest just before you are about to succeed.
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      Sorry pj this is a little off topic, but what do you mean by "it degenerating into what you have become famous for here at DV"?
      Do not try and bend the spoon--that's impossible. Instead only try and realize the truth...there is no spoon. Then you will see that it is not the spoon that bends

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jerad View Post
      Sorry pj this is a little off topic, but what do you mean by "it degenerating into what you have become famous for here at DV"?
      Poke around the Off Topic forums a bit and you'll understand.
      On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux.
      --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

      The temptation to quit will be greatest just before you are about to succeed.
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      Well I think to wake up from this dream you just have to die heh.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Pj
      I think that is my most reliable reality check. If I'm not happy, then I've lost lucidity.
      Very interesting points PJ, especially your first post on reality checking irl. I also started to do this recently, lucid dreaming is much like meditation imo.
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      I’ve had quite a number of very unlikely coincidences happen to me over the years which, depending on my mood, make me very suspicious about the nature of reality.
      Are you talking about telepathy? Law of attraction? Resonance of thoughts?

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