Thread: LD Dangers?

You wrote: "..it carries absolutely no consequences.."

So.. I ask again.. what gives you the experience to make such a sweeping statement, given that you have paltry LD experience?

Originally Posted by Oneiro

You wrote: "..it carries absolutely no consequences.."

So.. I ask again.. what gives you the experience to make such a sweeping statement, given that you have paltry LD experience?

Why would it carry any consequence if you do it in a dream? There's no known case of people being psychologically harmed by things happening in lucid dreams, because it all happens in a corner of your head that your mind shuts once the dream ends. You're not even supposed to remember your dreams, as I believe. It's something your mind goes onto when it sleeps and then shuts it down when it awakes. This is why I couldn't think of any consequence resulting out of ones actions in a dream.

Originally Posted by Überschall

There's no known case of people being psychologically harmed by things happening in lucid dreams, because it all happens in a corner of your head that your mind shuts once the dream ends.

Listen.. you don't know what you're talking about. You have barely any empirical knowledge of LDing, and that being so, you are not qualified to make such (sweeping) statements. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence of the dangers of LDing. You search this forum and you'll find some.

It always amazes me that people with so little empirical experience feel qualified to make such all-encompassing statements.

I’ve whacked a few dream characters in my day, and done some things that I’m not proud of in lucid dreams. Things I wouldn’t have in real life. It still happens… I’ve always wondered why? DCs can‘t hurt me,... They are all manifestations of myself! I've tried to get better control of that part.

I've tried to let my hostilities and lusts go. It's an ongoing battle.

What you do in your lucid dreams tells you something about, "Who You Are",... and who you want to be.

Originally Posted by Oneiro

Listen.. you don't know what you're talking about. You have barely any empirical knowledge of LDing, and that being so, you are not qualified to make such (sweeping) statements. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence of the dangers of LDing. You search this forum and you'll find some.

It always amazes me that people with so little empirical experience feel qualified to make such all-encompassing statements.

I know a heap of thrustworthy people, including my parents, knowing about lucid dreaming and being into it for many years. I wouldn't lay down such a statement if I didn't know what I was talking about.
Apart from that, going away from beliefs of moral and such, scientifical research has called it nearly impossible for lucid dreams to harm the psyche of psychologically stable people like me and you.

I'm going to stick with my belief that the expiriences in dreams are not affecting anything but the dreamworld itself.

The only one there is to love, hate,… or be afraid of in your lucid dreams,… is yourself!

What I’m talking about ,… is like having a lucid dream, inside a lucid dream, inside a lucid dream,… inside yourself… It’s the mystery of life!

I didn’t mean to stir up a hornet’s nest… It’s just my personal perspective and opinion. Please don’t see it as a threat. It wasn’t intended to be…

We each have our own place, purpose, perspective... and our own path, the "4Ps",... I can accept that.

I didn't take anything as a threat, I just thought I'd air my opinion, which is, that the dreaming and waking consciouses are well seperated and mean no harm to each other. Waking life bleeds into dreaming life, but the other way it doesn't work, because in dreams we go through what happened in the day and after that dream, subconscious closes that chapter and nothing goes into your waking world-psyche.
That's just my belief and I don't expect anyone to share it.

Originally Posted by Überschall

I didn't take anything as a threat, I just thought I'd air my opinion, which is, that the dreaming and waking consciouses are well seperated and mean no harm to each other. Waking life bleeds into dreaming life, but the other way it doesn't work, because in dreams we go through what happened in the day and after that dream, subconscious closes that chapter and nothing goes into your waking world-psyche.
That's just my belief and I don't expect anyone to share it.

O.K. Then stay the course!,... see where it leads,... what mysteries, adventures and discoveries it may bring.

Originally Posted by Überschall

I'm going to stick with my belief that the expiriences (sic) in dreams are not affecting anything but the dreamworld itself.

"Lucid Dream count - 2"

That says it all.. yadda yadda..

Originally Posted by Oneiro

"Lucid Dream count - 2"

That says it all.. yadda yadda..

Leave the fucking number of my LDs out of there for now, Jesus Christ. This argument drifted more and more into a "well i got more lds so i HAVE to be right stfu". You haven't been making a point in your last three or so posts but picking on my "lack of experience" which I don't need anyway for this debate because it's a substinantial debate about dreaming and subconsciouseness. If I believe that MY subconscious doesn't let MY dream experiences bleed into MY psyche, stop going on me like a Conservative Christian Politician onto a gay, communistic member of the YMCA.

I don't think that killing DC's in a dream makes you more violent in real life. That's just my opinion though. It's a lucid dream: you are aware that you are dreaming, you are aware of the fact that these DC's and everything is not real, so what's wrong with some dream violence, as long as you keep in mind that you are dreaming?

I once punched someone in the face in my dream, because it's funny and it's not something that I can do without consequences (or want to!) in real life. As long as you keep a fine line between dream morals and real life morals, I don't see what could go wrong.

Originally Posted by Überschall

Leave the fucking number of my LDs out of there for now, Jesus Christ. This argument drifted more and more into a "well i got more lds so i HAVE to be right stfu". You haven't been making a point in your last three or so posts but picking on my "lack of experience" which I don't need anyway for this debate because it's a substinantial debate about dreaming and subconsciouseness. If I believe that MY subconscious doesn't let MY dream experiences bleed into MY psyche, stop going on me like a Conservative Christian Politician onto a gay, communistic member of the YMCA.

I hear you!

It's not the quantity of LDs,... it's the quality that counts!

Originally Posted by Überschall

Leave the fucking number of my LDs out of there for now, Jesus Christ. This argument drifted more and more into a "well i got more lds so i HAVE to be right stfu". You haven't been making a point in your last three or so posts but picking on my "lack of experience" which I don't need anyway for this debate because it's a substinantial debate about dreaming and subconsciouseness. If I believe that MY subconscious doesn't let MY dream experiences bleed into MY psyche, stop going on me like a Conservative Christian Politician onto a gay, communistic member of the YMCA.

Go stick your head back up your <SNIP>
Aaaaaah.. that feels better.