Thread: Stoners Read This:

It's still a bad thing to do though.

But There Are Other Ways To Get Pleasure!!!!! Eating, Partying, Playing Games....SEX Even!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Jdeadevil

It's still a bad thing to do though.

How so?

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Snowy, yep. But, as I said, many of people who seek drugs have problematic lives. It's not like ice-cream will solve their problems.

Again, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO SOLVE PROBLEMS!!!!!

Originally Posted by Kromoh

How so?

Whadya mean how so? XD

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Snowy, people pursue drugs for the same reasons they pursue alcohol. It is fun, it is trendy, it feels nice. All those people wouldn't smoke it if it weren't good. It's not the fact that it gives you an altered state - but the fact that it gives you a pleasurable mind state.

You might want to allow everyone to speak for themselves for that matter. People don't just do a drug because "it feels nice". Many indeed do. Amongst them most of the problematic users are, but certainly alot of these people are responsible and moderate users.

Some people, like myself perhaps, sometimes use drugs for other purposes just than fun. My conscious self and my subconsciousself (my inner child). My subconsciousself contains a part, like a seperate being, that is my creativity. A self that can percieve imaginative visions of inexplanable themes and unbelievable solidity. Enough to imagine and visualise entire worlds from the top of my head and draw/paint/build them later. Now drugs are not to be seen as a "fix everything"-option, but rather as a "May be incredibly helpfull". So basically I do (some) drugs sometimes because they are a true spiritual welldeed to me. My Psychedelic experiences have been pleasurable, but often also intense, a little unnerving and uncomfortable, confusing and upsetting; not quite recreational, but instead very spiritually insightfull and visual imagination stimulating; More meaningfull than pleasurable. But that's my take on it. Because I have clear intentions, deeper and more serious and responsible than just "I wanna feel gooooood" I don't damage myself with drugs that are too toxic for comfort, or are known to be truely addictive. I see drugs, specifically psychedelic drugs, as a handy tool that may be a catalyst to a spiritual journey you are allready undertaking: Such as Painting/Drawing/Making Music. It is a spiritual quest of going into the Dreamlike realms of consciousness, getting inspired there and returning with clearminded memories of ideas you obtained to eventually draw, paint, sculpt or compose into this physical reality. An act of magic you might say. In case this is your life's passion and occupation, a "magical tool" every now and then used responsibly and with intent, might indeed do wonders to your artistic progress.

Originally Posted by Snowy Egypt

Again, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO SOLVE PROBLEMS!!!!!

Have you ever smoked a cigarette or drunk alcohol? No? How about taken aspirin or drunk a soda with caffeine in it?

All of those are way more dangerous and addictive than marijuana.

Fun fact: Methamphetamine is Schedule II in the US. Which means you can get it from your doctor. Yup, you can get Meth from your doctor. It’s sold as Desoxyn and used to treat ADD (bullshit disorder) and obesity. Hey, I got a drug that also helps with obesity. It’s called cocaine. Less dangerous too. Still illegal.

People need to stop acting like mindless zombies. Believing what ever they see on Fox News or CNN just because it’s presented to them in a professional way. They all have agendas. Start thinking for yourself.

I AM thinking for myself, thank YOU very much.

They have Lipo for obese people. Plain old eating right and exercise work better than ANYTHING ELSE. I should know. I haven't lost that much weight yet, but I feel LOADS better that what I use to feel like.

Originally Posted by Snowy Egypt

I AM thinking for myself, thank YOU very much.

They have Lipo for obese people. Plain old eating right and exercise work better than ANYTHING ELSE.

I think you missed everything I was trying to say or you just didn't like the fact that I pointed out you may be hypocritical. Unless you’re a monk living in some Monastery living off of water and apples I don’t think you really have room to talk about what people do in the privacy of their own home. There are drugs in everything we consume. EVERYTHING. They all have a negative and positive effects.

I was commenting on one point in your post.

Just like I don't have the right to say what people do in their homes, neither do you, so lets just end that topic. And don't say I'm trying to shut you up, because I just shut myself up too.

But seeing as you CLEARLY want a FULL reply to ALL of your post, here:

No, I have not smoked or drank alcohol, thank GOD, and I'm proud to say that I've stopped drinking so much soda like I use to in middle school.

Here's my little FUN FACT for you: I know that you can get meth from a doctor. I already don't approve of that. You don't need drugs OF ANY KIND to lose weight, in my opinion. But seeing as you'll probably skip over that, I don't see why I put it. OH WAIT!!! Did I just contradict myself by saying I know what you're going to say? Well I could care LESS as this point.

You can have information presented to you in a professional of unprofessional way, it all depends how YOU interpet the information. How you do is none of my consern, and the same goes for you.

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

I think you missed everything I was trying to say or you just didn't like the fact that I pointed out you may be hypocritical. Unless you’re a monk living in some Monastery living off of water and apples I don’t think you really have room to talk about what people do in the privacy of their own home. There are drugs in everything we consume. EVERYTHING. They all have a negative and positive effects.

She isn't being hypocritical, I think she's just trying to keep everybody clean, but sadly every one's going "There's no problem really" like idiotic fools. I think it's fair to be honest really.

Although on second point, everyone is kind of saying how people abuse them and others don't so I guess that's fair too. But I think people are kind of over the top with saying how it's good for people to smoke it. Kind of gives me the mental image of someone in their basement with papers and test tubes smoking it and going "Ahh" and writing down how they feel.

Originally Posted by SKA

You might want to allow everyone to speak for themselves for that matter. People don't just do a drug because "it feels nice". Many indeed do. Amongst them most of the problematic users are, but certainly alot of these people are responsible and moderate users.

Some people, like myself perhaps, sometimes use drugs for other purposes just than fun. My conscious self and my subconsciousself (my inner child). My subconsciousself contains a part, like a seperate being, that is my creativity. A self that can percieve imaginative visions of inexplanable themes and unbelievable solidity. Enough to imagine and visualise entire worlds from the top of my head and draw/paint/build them later. Now drugs are not to be seen as a "fix everything"-option, but rather as a "May be incredibly helpfull". So basically I do (some) drugs sometimes because they are a true spiritual welldeed to me. My Psychedelic experiences have been pleasurable, but often also intense, a little unnerving and uncomfortable, confusing and upsetting; not quite recreational, but instead very spiritually insightfull and visual imagination stimulating; More meaningfull than pleasurable. But that's my take on it. Because I have clear intentions, deeper and more serious and responsible than just "I wanna feel gooooood" I don't damage myself with drugs that are too toxic for comfort, or are known to be truely addictive. I see drugs, specifically psychedelic drugs, as a handy tool that may be a catalyst to a spiritual journey you are allready undertaking: Such as Painting/Drawing/Making Music. It is a spiritual quest of going into the Dreamlike realms of consciousness, getting inspired there and returning with clearminded memories of ideas you obtained to eventually draw, paint, sculpt or compose into this physical reality. An act of magic you might say. In case this is your life's passion and occupation, a "magical tool" every now and then used responsibly and with intent, might indeed do wonders to your artistic progress.

Wow SKA, I love you. I knew you would be able to write how I feel better than I could, so thank you.

This is why I experiment with chemicals. It's about the experience, not whether it feels good or bad. In fact, the bad experiences produce a lot of good. They show you how good we all have it in this world, how it could be so much worse. Bad experiences teach you more about yourself and human nature than good experiences in most cases.

You also don't have to take a lot or anything. I always take a low dose of whatever I do. With marijuana, which I smoke very rarely compared to when I was a teen, I only take one small hit. With mushrooms I take 1/16. And with LSD I take only one tab. I may increase the dosage of psychedelics to explore the more intense sides of them, but I don't need more marijuana, one hit is more than enough for me.

I have to cut this short, I'm going to a friends house, but I have learned over the years that it is useless bickering about anything. There are so many different types of people, and I think we should all have respect for each other. I have respect for your decision, I just hope that you respect mine.

Just because you made a decision you believe is right for yourself, does not mean that it is right for everyone.

Lol jdea first and foremost, we have to define what's your concept of "good for people". Smoking can be seen as good as it is extremely pleasurable (at least to people who smoke), though it does bad for your health. Does it make cigarretes positive or negative?

Lol again Jdea. Drugs *may* do bad for you, it's unknown if they do. What I try to do here is to open people's mind, and to bring to their awareness the fact that there is no valuable scientifical research that says marijuana is bad. I don't smoke myself because I don't feel the need to, as Snowy said, I can get preasure from other things. But it doesn't mean I wouldn't try it just because Fox News say its bad. In fact, there is no medical condition associated with marijuana. Not cancer, not lung/liver/kidney failure. That shit saying it makes you lose neurons? First of all, it's not scientifically credible. Secondly, you lose neurons with many simple tasks such as jumping.

But just as much as I dislike the preconceived idea that drugs are bad (though some have been proven to be, like crack), I dislike it when people try to convince others to try it: it's just like convincing a person to start drinking alcohol.

Finally, to my eyes, either we outlaw everything that does bad for you health or none of them. Ice cream does bad for your health - it makes you gain weigh. Meat does bad for your health. Salt does bad for your health. Air does bad for you health - in fact air is the reason why we age. Let's just outlaw air - after all it's been scientifically proven to do bad for your health, something marijuana hasn't.

Right, if you see me hanging around space all the time, it's because I'm trying not to age. Lol, Joking, but on a serious note, I thought Crack was Marijuana.



That's a before and after of the usage of Crack. Now, that's really fucked up....

I see what you're saying Kromoh. For me it's not just the news. I've got friends saying no and yes things about drugs. To me, it's just common sense not to use them. Like I want to put something in my system that might effect me that way it effects my schoolmates. Yuck.

Yay, I do respect your decision. I was just trying to give some points. Hopefully I won't have another bickering post in this thread.

Yeah Snowy I do as well respect your opinion and decision. What I'm saying here is that not always is common sense right - though it could be. It is unknown if marijuana is bad, but some people (like you) prefer not to take the risk. I just hate to see it being outlawed without reason. If it is scientifically discovered that marijuana is bad for your health, then you are free to outlaw it.

Not that I'd agree with it being outlawed even in those circumstances. If alcohol did bad for you and only you, then drinking would be your problem. But when it is bad for others, as when drunk people provoke car accidents, then it should be outlawed. It's not the law's scope to tell people what's good or bad for them, but to ensure one's pleasure isn't the others' suffering. And from what I see here, marijuana does no bad to other people.

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What happens is that marijuana became a trend in a very turbulent time. It was unknown and new - and was seen as a threat. For that reason, some ridiculous american scientist published some ludicrous blabbering about marijuana, and suddenly almost every country in the world outlaws it.

When I first wrote this post,
I had no idea it was going to get so deep
into discussion.

its cool though, aha

I thought it was known that marijuana is bad...But anyway, yes, I prefer not to take the risk, nor do I feel the need to use it in my life. I'm perfectly happy drug-free. And thanks for respecting my decision. ^__^

I just have one thing to say to the people who believe
that all drugs do is bring bad. Einstein was an Acid man himself,
and look what he has brought us.
I think drugs have a purpose on this planet,
and it's not to be made illegal.
Just if dumbasses stopped abusing them, it might be alright.
But until that day, we must all hide our stashes.

the reason it messes up your dream recall is because it kills brain cells right?

You're getting around aren't you CX?

Originally Posted by Snowy Egypt

You're getting around aren't you CX?

Hey, SE, he's an experienced member, don't mess!

So I've read. Lucky... >___>