Specific REM occurance times

[Sony86]

Hey everyone, I was wondering if anyone knew the times at which you have rem time in, say, a ten hour night's sleep. I know everyones might differentiate but what are the average times? Cheers fellow lucid dreamers, Martin

[Jdeadevil]

Don't know if this could help here but you do know the basic WBTB method don't you? Wake up after five-six hours sleep?

[Ailos]

REM cycles are different for every person, and can vary based on how much or little sleep one had in nights past. REM deficits are made up for later, so if you don't get good REM sleep one night, you'll get more the next. As a general rule, however, REM sleep doesn't really begin for a good 2 hours or more into sleep. For the initial few hours of sleeping, you're in deep N-REM sleep, and don't dream a whole lot. Soon, though, REM sleep begins, and continues to do so in intervals for ever-increasing lengths of time. These intervals could start at 10-minutes REM, 30-minutes N-REM, and end at 30-60 mins REM, 5-10 minutes N-REM. Hope that helps!

[Sony86]

Don't know if this could help here but you do know the basic WBTB method don't you? Wake up after five-six hours sleep? Yeah I suppose I'm trying to find the most oppertune time to wake up during the wbtb sequence. And thanks alios that info helps a lot. So five-six hours is a good time? I'm trying to wake during a dream, so that when I wake I can remember and attempt to reconnect to it.. If you catch my drift.

[Jdeadevil]

Waking up during the dream in my opinion is unnecessary, but you can try it for better recall. But to be on the safe side, let's just four - six hours.

[Ailos]

And thanks alios that info helps a lot. So five-six hours is a good time? I'm trying to wake during a dream, so that when I wake I can remember and attempt to reconnect to it.. If you catch my drift. No prob. Yeah, you have a better chance of waking up in the middle of a dream the later you sleep in. However, for many, the main purpose of the WBTB method isn't just to increase recall if they happen to wake in the midst of a dream, but rather to make it easier to slip into a WILD. Since your brain is in the later stages of sleep, and already got a good deal of its N-REM sleep, it falls quicker back to REM than it would have earlier in the night. As a result, it's possible to consciously fall into dreaming, something not easily done otherwise. But yea, I too find it easier to remember dreams if I'm waken up right in the middle. My advice would be to make a schedule/routine so that you get the same amount of sleep at the same time each night, and experiment to see which time of waking best increases recall.

[Sony86]

No prob. Yeah, you have a better chance of waking up in the middle of a dream the later you sleep in. However, for many, the main purpose of the WBTB method isn't just to increase recall if they happen to wake in the midst of a dream, but rather to make it easier to slip into a WILD. Since your brain is in the later stages of sleep, and already got a good deal of its N-REM sleep, it falls quicker back to REM than it would have earlier in the night. As a result, it's possible to consciously fall into dreaming, something not easily done otherwise. But yea, I too find it easier to remember dreams if I'm waken up right in the middle. My advice would be to make a schedule/routine so that you get the same amount of sleep at the same time each night, and experiment to see which time of waking best increases recall. cool, hey thanks a lot man that really helps. I'll report tomorrow morning how it went as I'm just going to sleep now. Wish me luck!

[Sony86]

so, I wasn't able to become lucid in the past night but I do remember what I was dreaming about before, and after I woke up in the middle of sleep. Though the two dreams were similar, I wasn't able to relate and become lucid.. Anyone have any suggestions or tips?

[Robot_Butler]

A good way to figure out your normal REM times is to use your natural midnight awakenings. Your body will naturally wake up after each REM period. Make a point of waking up more fully than normal, and jotting down the time each time this happens. If you do this for a few nights, you should see a pattern. Your REM will shift around, but you can at least get a feel for what your mind is doing. For example, I try to go to sleep around 11:30. I know I wake up from a dream every night around 3:00am. I also have a REM period around 4:30, and around 6:00 or 6:15. The problem is, if I set an alarm for 4:00am to catch myself in a dream, it will work for a day or two, but then my REM period will shift to accomodate this awakening. Your brain is very slippery.

[Sony86]

A good way to figure out your normal REM times is to use your natural midnight awakenings. Your body will naturally wake up after each REM period. Make a point of waking up more fully than normal, and jotting down the time each time this happens. If you do this for a few nights, you should see a pattern. Your REM will shift around, but you can at least get a feel for what your mind is doing. For example, I try to go to sleep around 11:30. I know I wake up from a dream every night around 3:00am. I also have a REM period around 4:30, and around 6:00 or 6:15. The problem is, if I set an alarm for 4:00am to catch myself in a dream, it will work for a day or two, but then my REM period will shift to accomodate this awakening. Your brain is very slippery. Good to know, thanks. Im trying to do a WBTB WILD but so far it's proving unsuccessful. I'm only trying this technique because I remember doing it unintentionally in the past. (I woke up in the early morning thinking thoroughly about the dream I was just having. My will to return to the pleasant dream resulted in me returning flawlessly to the same place in the same dream. I was a bit lucid after that I think but it didn't last.) What's the ideal time to stay awake after waking before gong back to sleep?

[Robot_Butler]

You want to stay awake long enough to be sure your brain is activated and focused on lucid dreaming, but not long enough to make it difficult to fall back asleep. How are your WILDs failing? If you are falling asleep too quickly, then try to extend the time awake, and maybe read more or do some math problems. If you are lying awake for an hour or two after returning to bed, you need to reduce the amount of time you are up and about. Some people stay up for an hour, and some are only up long enough to jot down a few notes in their dream journal.

[Sony86]

Hey guys so the enormous amount of effort I put into lucid dreaming lastnight looks like it paid off. I had a small lucid dream! After I woke up about 8 hours in, I went back to bed about a Half hour later. I found myself in a hardware store somehow lucid. I didn't conciously appear there but rather found myself lucid in it. Excited, I saw I rugged-looking man standing, arms crossed, beside the door. I laughed quietly knowing I had drempt him up. I asked one of my ciggarette smoking dream characters standing against a wall for a smoke before he promptly told me "no, I need to save them". So I spun and found myself looking at a set of beautiful Colorado mountains. Still lucid, I thought I might try to fly - so I jumped as high as I could - reaching as high as the tree canopies before I started to descend rapidly. Just before I collided with the ground, I woke up. I was excited the whole time I was lucid. I'm so happy I finally got some results. Ive been studying and attempting lucid dreaming for months now with little success. Glad to finally accompany you all in dreams, it feels awesome.

[Ailos]

Ah, excellent! Looks like you've gotten further than me. All I can do is scarcely remember even non-lucid dreams from the night before. Last night's... had something to do with me drinking underage and getting kicked out of a bar in the florida keys. Haha, that was a fun one. Anyways, congrats!

[Sony86]

Ah, excellent! Looks like you've gotten further than me. All I can do is scarcely remember even non-lucid dreams from the night before. Last night's... had something to do with me drinking underage and getting kicked out of a bar in the florida keys. Haha, that was a fun one. Anyways, congrats! thanks man. Your dreams sound pretty amusing, haha. Believe me I was super happy this morning when I realized I had done it. I'm going to give it another go tonight.

[Robot_Butler]

Wow, what a great lucid dream. Congrats Hopefully you will have many more to come. Try to hold onto that feeling of being lucid. Remember it, so you can use it to imagine your goal.

[Abra]

Why not try finding those REM times for youself? That's how I got my star hours: 3:00 and 4:30. First, go to bed and wake up at around the same time every night. Even weekends (this is actually great for health and concentration!). Now, you can experiment by setting an alarm at a different time each night (choose a spot 5-6 hours in, and adjust it by 10 minutes every night you miss). You'll get it eventually!