Thread: PLease Some one Do you think you can help....

Lex, can you dream non-lucid at will or are you stuck with lucid dreaming all the time? I'd take a break from lucid dreaming for awhile if possible, thats some heavy shit going on in your dream world. Can any of the experienced people from this forum give advice on stopping lucid dreaming? Maybe you should contact the dream guides. Good luck.

Your very right about the dream,,,, that dream came before a very dark part in my life 4 years ago.....

as for him i'm very certain at this point he is his own being not part of me......
accepting him has come nartaully ....
i give him no control and i have never thought him strong than myself only wiser at times.....
HE IS IN EVERY DREAM.....i don't know how many different ways to say it lol
but if i find no need for him he stays to the side....
no i don't always dream lucidly i like the flow of things when i don't have to think only see.....
I'm not big on angels.........and as for scarifice i did i had to let go apart of my self and my dreams in order to ascept some very hard facts ....but that in now ways has stop him from taking control when he feels i'm in some sorta troble of that there are battles to come.....
if you want the story i'll tell you private message me.....
.....
funny about the vampire thing though
as for him show me the positive ummm yes i guess he shows me the positive side to life at time but...he was telling me about the peole around me the people that i was very fond of the few friends i have.....
even with all the things i've been through with them
i still say something that i couldnot look away from....
meh i'm one in amillion...i guess...
got question anyone tpye and i'll write....

funny about the vampire thing though [/b]

Funny in a 'I'm a long way off type way' or in a 'wow that's kind of true' type way what way?

as for him i'm very certain at this point he is his own being not part of me[/b]

Everything is a part of you in some way. Even the people on the message board are connected to you in some way.

Do you ever have dreams about eating? It may be possible that you are consuming something in your dreams that it leaving you vulnerable. The food maybe acting like a trojan horse, leaving a part of you vulnerable to control. Consumption is not just about eating, but it is about using any of your senses to take in something. You should meditate on not eating this food. In your case, if it was me, I would repeat the phrase like "do not consume the food that leaving me helpless".

I'm sorry but i just dont believe you i saw the kid you described in and anime picture at http://www.myotaku.com/users/smittenkitten/
What you say sound to much like it was yaken from somthing i'm sorry i just dont believe you.....
and also ppl who read this you might wanna look at this
http://www.freewebs.com/greygoddess/mystories.htm (her website)

you dont have to take my sugestion, but, if you have tried everything you have nothing to lose...

anyway, you could try confronting him and fighting him, (i would do that anyway just for kicks. ) then tell him to get out, or get any other information out of him


Rini0895 said:

I'm sorry but i just dont believe you i saw the kid you described in and anime picture at http://www.myotaku.com/users/smittenkitten/
What you say sound to much like it was yaken from somthing i'm sorry i just dont believe you.....
and also ppl who read this you might wanna look at this
http://www.freewebs.com/greygoddess/mystories.htm (her website)[/b]

uh, i am not sure if this pertains to the discussion... rini,...

Rini...as for my stories....i put my dreams in them...that's why many of my story dreams sound simlar to mine a writer uses things they get from expriences...
The Anime your talking about (yes i do like anime.......i'm an artist i should...)
i've never heard of till you brought it up......also if you had read what i wrote the child was a girl....
honest i don't care what you think you are probably far younger than myself.....
but thanks for looking at my site thought lol
i'm 19....
and dreamcaster...funny as in niot many poele i know that are close to me..family friends..are health people...my aunt and brother are Bi Polar....my mother has MS...i'm always sick 4 times a month.....
to put it nicely everyone in my family has come down with a deadly or extreme illness if i've stayed with them...or vice veresa......that i find strange.....and slightly funny....(funny odd not funny haha)


perhaps were connected....but on what level...as for fighting him i've done it many times Sloth....
i'm starting to think it's as funny as he does....it's pointless in a place were we both have control ......we just can't get hurt.....
well............. i'm sure i could .........don't know about him.....well sorry i do know...but it doesn't matter really...
any who i'm sick this week....again....i'm going to get some bed rest.......
i'll check everything out later.....
got questions...so do i....Pm me if you feel like it...

This was one messed up dream i had last night.......

I couldn't see anything(not LD)
but i could hear people talking....something about them coming and that it would all be soon.....
i heard someone say it's sad...sounded like a female....
i heard another say it has to happned.....this was a male....
some one spoke and said that it would all be worth it..another male....
i heard there feet suffle and i heard Sahps voice...it's coming....the moments soon....
I know i made a movement but i couldn't see....
i heard them say quiet listen....
they didn't speak so i moved again....
Saph told them to go....
i still couldn't see...
he said the word sleep....
and i don't remember hearing or seeing anythign after that.....
it's all way to weird....

whoa, weird....

i think the reason he has control is not because he is supernatural and powerful, but because you think he is. if tries to control you, and you think it will work, then it will.

its all in your head, he is just something that you've given power to.

my opinon is you need to believe he is nothing more than a dream character who you have given to much respect, and until you believe it, he will keep controlling your dreams because you expect him to.

even if he is supernatural, you still need to believe you can beat him... it cant hurt anyway.

the more you believe he is supernatural, the harder it will be for you.

in your dreams, your subconcious makes the rules, but you make the rules for your subconcious, because your subconcious is merely your beliefs and expectations.

/preach off

anyway, i hope you find something that works.

alright i've understand what everyone has said believe me muse.v your not the first......
secound i have given over no sort of control over to him .....
as for the it can't hurt thing.....
you have never woken up with cuts and brusie after one of your dreams...so please refrane from telling me it can't hurt...cus it does.....lol
(no i don't sleep walk or roll...ask the man i sleep with......)
I don't know what to believe he is because i have no control over him....
.......trust me i've tried........with all i've had......but it was like being cut off from what gave me strengh when he took over....
I'm not going to be on here for a while i have to get my wisdom teeth out.....so i'll be all drugged up on pain killers......oh joy......(sarcasum)

Originally posted by Lex

i have given over no sort of control over to him .....

I have given control to other dream characters in the past without realizing it. Since the sub-conscious has multiple layers, you may have done or said something to him in the past (which you have forgotten) that allowed him to gain some kind of control. If you are lucid enough, test him. Ask him questions about where he comes from, why he is in your dreams, etc. If he becomes defensive or violent or negative toward you, you'll at least have a better sense of his motives. What are your spiritual beliefs (if any)?

Dreamcaster:
You've said many things which seem to resonate with some of my dreams, particularly regarding vampires and eating/consumption. I've had some dreams wher I become lucid right in the middle eating something, then realize that I'm eating garbage or some other non-edible substance. I spend most of the rest of the dream trying to "purge" my dream body of the substance by spewing it out of my mouth and ears ( while using some kind of breathing exercise... weird

yes i'm pagan.....
....oh boy you really think i'm a beginner at this.....
as for asking him questions i have he's gotten angry with me when i ask who or what he is......or if i ask for a name...which is why i gave him one i got tired of saying hey you.....
as for why he won't leave he only says he's waiting for a moment....
i've asked him about lots of things...from flowers to fishing...even about food...
i know of 2 people who have also seen him My friend J
and another one who past away a week after seeing him...both refused to tell me what he told them.....
i dream and i Lucid dream.... both places he is there...i've fought with him he's left marks on my arm...from grabbing my to hard....(yes i woke up with them)
and to prove i'm not faking the man i've been with for2 years has woken up to view the marks himself as well as a few of my friends....
He's not part of me...if he was i could join with him....his not part of me...because i can't feel him like a feel the rest of the beings in my mind....i've met many of the character that make up the peices of me....
i don't know what he is but he doesn't belong there...he is interuding.....
i'm 19 i've been trying to learn more about him since i was 14 and saw his face for the first time....i've been studying dreams since i was 9
i'm not unknowledgable....
(but i do have bad spelling lol)
as for where he comes from he said.... A place that I can't be.....

yes i'm pagan.....
....oh boy you really think i'm a beginner at this.....
as for asking him questions i have he's gotten angry with me when i ask who or what he is......or if i ask for a name...which is why i gave him one i got tired of saying hey you.....
as for why he won't leave he only says he's waiting for a moment....
i've asked him about lots of things...from flowers to fishing...even about food...
i know of 2 people who have also seen him My friend J
and another one who past away a week after seeing him...both refused to tell me what he told them.....
i dream and i Lucid dream.... both places he is there...i've fought with him he's left marks on my arm...from grabbing my to hard....(yes i woke up with them)
and to prove i'm not faking the man i've been with for2 years has woken up to view the marks himself as well as a few of my friends....
He's not part of me...if he was i could join with him....his not part of me...because i can't feel him like a feel the rest of the beings in my mind....i've met many of the character that make up the peices of me....
i don't know what he is but he doesn't belong there...he is interuding.....
i'm 19 i've been trying to learn more about him since i was 14 and saw his face for the first time....i've been studying dreams since i was 9
i'm not unknowledgable....
(but i do have bad spelling lol)
as for where he comes from he said.... A place that I can't be.....

You might be able to delete that last post since you doubled...

....oh boy you really think i'm a beginner at this.....[/b]

Not really. I just don't remember you saying anything about grilling him.

as for asking him questions i have he's gotten angry with me when i ask who or what he is......or if i ask for a name...which is why i gave him one i got tired of saying hey you.....[/b]

Sounds like he/it's got some kind of hold on you, but it is not unbreakable. I'll pm you later with a little more elaboration on that...

I have My Wisdom Teeth out Ouch....
if you write hear and i don't anwser....sorry..i'll be out of it for a few days....oddly enough i had the best sleep i've had in a while when they knocked me out...i hate insomnia...lol
and just to go on the record i don't care to get rid of saph i really just kinda wanna know what and who he is...
as well as how to stop him from butting in from time to time.........
also i just wanted to know if anyone else had these types of exprience and i couple weeks ago i had the worst dream....
i'll put it up when i 'm better in a few day..
thanks every one for your help so for all of you

this was a few weeks ago i had this dream for about 3 nights..

I run into a house.. the wall paper is green but i can't make out things to well.
I feel afraid and I feel a need to hurry I'm throwing things...into a bag.... my things .... I make out furnture....I'm running away from this place....the house is beautiful...in a very victorian style
wood floor, area rugs,wood table all in a dark colour.... though it's all burry like i'm crying...it feels like I've been crying.....
I turn and notice smoke.....I panic....
because I'm upstairs...I run to the top of a of the stair case it covered in flames .......I'm very scared now...not for the flames....
but because i know it means somethings wrong.....somethings happened.....
I run back to the room where my bag is I notice then i'm in an old fashion gown
I sort of collapes i'm having trouble breathing and I feel very hot it's starting to hurt the floor cracks are letting smoke into the room i haver no where to go i'm trapped...
I here someone shouting for me but i feel the flames all around me...i know the flames hvae burned me I am in so much pain.....
I see some one in black come in through the door....I hear coughing
i see his eye through the smoke and flame blue as always...
he grabs me but it's to late....
Some how the next thing i know i'm outside he's leaning over me telling me not to go.......
I close my eyes
I hear him tell me to wake up.....

and I do....

Sounds like you have great recall. If I were you, I'd try techniques to increase awareness...? If you can increase lucidity, you can overcome ANY anxiety, panic, pain, or discomfort in your dreams.

If you're looking for an interpretation... I'm always hesitant to attribute any meaning to others' dreams. You are your own best interpretter.

i do i have very good recall most of my dreams are very vivid....
and i always know when i'm dreaming....
which makes becoming Lucid easier for me...
as for the pain...well it's not been as bad lately before i use to wake up with actual phsyical marks....
never knew what to make of that...be it's all but stopped lately
i hate teeth....Wisdom teeth the most...grrr

I seem to know when I'm dreaming too, I said somewhere else as well that I think my brain has a second awareness while I'm asleep that means I can think thoughts outside of the dream as well as in

There are varying levels of lucidity I guess, but specifically in regards to your above dream, you mentioned panic (which you can get rid of by analyzing the dream's meaning rather than being emotionally immersed or involved in them).

If you realize you're dreaming, then ideally you would also recognize that things like panic or anxiety are unnecessary and that - since it IS "just a dream" (sometimes this takes some difficult convincing, I know) or at least YOUR dream (thus you are its author, able to control, harbor stability, and hopefully realize peace rather than fear or pain).

For example: I have also experienced being on fire, but because I was lucid enough and knew that they were not ACTUAL flames, I envisioned rain to extinguish it (or one can even envision yourself as glass or some other non-flammable material). Just a couple suggestions...

i don't dream lucid all the time yes i knew i was dreaming but i was going with the dream.
i was curious as to what was going on...those were the feelings i picked up from the dream it self not my own panic or fear....just what i felt....

it was the dream itself that made me interested it has been along well since i dreamed about fire and it was odder that i had this dream 3 nights in a row....
i was just wondering if anyone hadany helpful hint as to the meanings or reason behind it all ......
plus it's a really odd dream

Keeping a journal (which is something I haven't done regularly for a while and I keep procrastinating on) has helped me tremendously in being able to understand my dreams.

i do keep a journal...but the meaning behind it doesn't make sense as to whats happening in my life right now....
that why i find it odd and thought some one might help....
it's been a long time since i had a dream about being burned to death...
a couple of years....
just thought some might have a freash out look

Lex, about your dream, it may be about the deterioration of some aspect of your personality. It is possible that the Victorian house represent innocence and high levels of sophistication and refinement, but for some reason something is destroying this part of you.
In my dreams I find that take on the form of self-fulfilling prophesies. What you expect happens does happen. Maybe you expected something bad to happen so it did.

The fire itself may represent some type of mistake you made. Based on what you said, it is possible the mistake was your attempt to take 'your' possessions. Sometimes in our dreams we fall into the belief that everything in 'our' dreams is essentially ours, but this is not always true.

For example in my dreams there used to be ALOT of wealth. I thought because it was my dream that everything in the dream belonged to me. As a result of that belief I coveted all the wealth I could get my hands on. I was able to become a decillionair (multi-billionair) in my dreams. Unfortunately, by taking more wealth than I actually needed, I inadvertently created an imbalance within the economy that sustained my dreamscape. The economy represented a type of 'intellectual' blood which helped sustain the civilized aspects of my soul. I learned that your archetypes follow the example that you set. In my case being covetous encouraged the archetypes to be covetous and when everyone is taking in your dreams and no one is giving all hell breaks loose - so to speak.

It is possible that in your dream, the same thing happened on a smaller scale. Negative fire, which is destructive, essentially represents sin. In this case it may represent the sin of greed. Something you fear in your life may have caused you to become covetous. Sometimes fear of loss causes us to cling unto things a little harder than we should. In the process of holding on to tight, we stop giving to others, we stop sharing.

Maybe something in your life hurt you creating this fear of loss and as a result you began to withdraw. You stopped sharing some material or immaterial aspect of yourself with others. It is sharing that encourages true spiritual wealth. By not sharing you destroyed the element that sustained the innocence and the wealth of the house.

This greed takes on the form of a all consuming fire which takes the house and maybe even you life. Fortunately, it seems that there is someone who is willing to help find your way out of the fire, out of the hurt and fear which destroyed the home. Sometimes when we are hurt we are unable to help ourselves, so we need others to comfort us, guide and nurture us until we get well. In your dream this person tried to encourage you and give you the will to stay awake.

Evangel, I'm sorry it took so long to get back to you. I haven't been on this specific topic for awhile. What you describe is very similar to what I experience in my dreams. It seems we are on the same wavelength.

Dream Caster thanks for the insite....
i'll think about it all...
oddly i feel a lot more....mentally unclouded...i guess you could say thanks for your help i honestly mean it