Thread: Lucid sports/skills

Supposedly your muscle memory could be built upon and you could improve such things (musical instruments, too!), I don't know if there's any scientific evidence or if that's just a hypothesis gone wild, though. I'd like to think so, but I don't know enough about the science of it to say yes. Would certainly be convenient!

I would love to think so, especially because half of my dream goals involve doing something i already do in real life

if LD is as real as some members say and if you remember them pretty well, you can definitely impove your skills! That's also a big reason for me to get a gool LDer.

Originally Posted by Blitzwing

if LD is as real as some members say and if you remember them pretty well, you can definitely impove your skills! That's also a big reason for me to get a gool LDer.

Well, not necessarily just from the "realness" of the experience. In that sense, it is more like daydreaming that you are the best snowboarder in the world who can get super air and land every single flip and grind, no matter how many rotations.

Compared to actually getting out on the slopes and pointing your board straight down the hill and having to keep your balance.

It could help in other aspects, like getting you comfortable with the concept of going quickly down the hill, or how to attach your bindings. But I don't think that by default you will get better at a behavior in RL just because you did it in a LD. If that were the case I'd be a pretty kickass superhero by now who could blow shit up just by pointing at it, fly, and walk through walls. So as much as I want your theory to be true... lol

Originally Posted by Shift

If that were the case I'd be a pretty kickass superhero by now who could blow shit up just by pointing at it, fly, and walk through walls. So as much as I want your theory to be true... lol

-.- i was talking about POSSIBLE skills, like training the new Kung-Fu tricks you learned in your last REAL training. i think you can train what you just learned in battle, so that would be prime. ^^

The answer is yes! There already have been done scientific experiments around this. With positive results. Except, people didn't lucid dream, but were merely thinking of playing piano. So I'm guessing it's even more effective in lucid dreams.

Originally Posted by Blitzwing

-.- i was talking about POSSIBLE skills, like training the new Kung-Fu tricks you learned in your last REAL training. i think you can train what you just learned in battle, so that would be prime. ^^

Well, I think mentally yes, you could prepare for things like that. Still waiting on some scientific proof on the actual physical/muscular benefits. I'm still not convinced that you could become better at martial arts, my lucids don't work that way. It's similar to the matrix... but not THAT similar.

I just realized... if you get hurt in the matrix, you bleed or die. If you workout like mad and become a super mixed martial arts athlete in the matrix from a scrawny computer guy... I guess his muscles didn't get sore? His mind must not have made it real enough

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

The answer is yes! There already have been done scientific experiments around this. With positive results. Except, people didn't lucid dream, but were merely thinking of playing piano. So I'm guessing it's even more effective in lucid dreams.

Non lucid? How long did they have to sit and wait for people to dream about pianos?! I hope they used autosuggestion...
Do you have a link to this article? I'd like to read about.

I once saw a documentary where an gimnast used visualisation to go through her routines and after a while of having her mind working on the exercise she could do it better than before. It seemed to be an accepted method for training, along with the physical part.
Soooo, it probably works with dreams too.

i practice driving in some lucid dreams

i just hope when i take my test the stearing wheel keeps still and the pedals stay in the car

Originally Posted by zezu

i practice driving in some lucid dreams

i just hope when i take my test the stearing wheel keeps still and the pedals stay in the car

Ahahahaha does pedal-to-the-metal turn into pedal-through-the-metal??? That's hysterical

Originally Posted by Shift

Non lucid? How long did they have to sit and wait for people to dream about pianos?! I hope they used autosuggestion...
Do you have a link to this article? I'd like to read about.

Lol, I said thinking, not dreaming, merely thinking is enough to increase the brain area that handles the fingers.

How The Brain Rewires Itself
By SHARON BEGLEY

Friday, Jan. 19, 2007

It was a fairly modest experiment, as these things go, with volunteers trooping into the lab at Harvard Medical School to learn and practice a little five-finger piano exercise. Neuroscientist Alvaro Pascual-Leone instructed the members of one group to play as fluidly as they could, trying to keep to the metronome’s 60 beats per minute. Every day for five days, the volunteers practiced for two hours. Then they took a test.

At the end of each day’s practice session, they sat beneath a coil of wire that sent a brief magnetic pulse into the motor cortex of their brain, located in a strip running from the crown of the head toward each ear. The so-called transcranial-magnetic-stimulation (TMS) test allows scientists to infer the function of neurons just beneath the coil. In the piano players, the TMS mapped how much of the motor cortex controlled the finger movements needed for the piano exercise. What the scientists found was that after a week of practice, the stretch of motor cortex devoted to these finger movements took over surrounding areas like dandelions on a suburban lawn.

The finding was in line with a growing number of discoveries at the time showing that greater use of a particular muscle causes the brain to devote more cortical real estate to it. But Pascual-Leone did not stop there. He extended the experiment by having another group of volunteers merely think about practicing the piano exercise. They played the simple piece of music in their head, holding their hands still while imagining how they would move their fingers. Then they too sat beneath the TMS coil.

When the scientists compared the TMS data on the two groups–those who actually tickled the ivories and those who only imagined doing so–they glimpsed a revolutionary idea about the brain: the ability of mere thought to alter the physical structure and function of our gray matter. For what the TMS revealed was that the region of motor cortex that controls the piano-playing fingers also expanded in the brains of volunteers who imagined playing the music–just as it had in those who actually played it.

"Mental practice resulted in a similar reorganization" of the brain, Pascual-Leone later wrote. If his results hold for other forms of movement (and there is no reason to think they don’t), then mentally practicing a golf swing or a forward pass or a swimming turn could lead to mastery with less physical practice. Even more profound, the discovery showed that mental training had the power to change the physical structure of the brain.

Professional athletes use visualization to train their muscle memory as well. It is kind of the same concept. I would think that since LD's are even more real, it would effect it even more?

There are professionals who use lucid dreaming to try to improve their game i have read.

I think i read Tiger Woods is one of them.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Lol, I said thinking, not dreaming, merely thinking is enough to increase the brain area that handles the fingers.

Hahaha ok I misread that, that's a relief. I couldn't imagine doing a study relying on random dreams, and who knows how many get forgotten per night, too

Got it! http://bidmc.harvard.edu/content/bid...0Sci%20(2).pdf Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, this is AWESOME stuff!

Originally Posted by Dreamer 316

There are professionals who use lucid dreaming to try to improve their game i have read.

I think i read Tiger Woods is one of them.

bwahahaha, when I tell my dad that he'll stop bitching to me about wasting my time LDing.

And he's a natural, so he'll probably start trying to play golf in his sleep Then I can harass him about spending all his time LDing!

So if dreaming about something actually makes you better at doing it... it seems there is a pretty important biological/evolutionary role in dreaming. I've never seen a line drawn that clearly about an actual evolutionary function of dreams (including lds)

Here is an article about this. Quite a big article infact.




http://sawka.com/spiritwatch/applica...dreaming_i.htm

no.

Hi
There is a Dissertation about this topic (motor learning in lucid dreams: phenomenological and experimental aspects)

It's written in German, so I don't know if it is really useful for you.

http://www.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/archiv/5896

greetings from switzerland Eskimo

Also Deutsch is bestimmt kein Problem für mich (weil ich en Deutscher bin ^^)

but back to topic now ^^. @ shift: you dont have to remember your dreams ^^. sounds strange but its the truth, well at least for me ^^. i do nearly always fight in my dreams and as my dream recall is @"$&)@"§§%$! ^^ i dont know that im always fighting in my dreams, BUT sometimes my friends attack me just for fun and i "spontaneously" do tricks i never knew and sometimes real enemies attack me and i just beat them. ??? then i came to the conclusion, that it must be my dreams and when i did remember them i noticed that i was always fighting.
one of my friends later really wanted me to do Kung-Fu or something, cause he believed in me...