Thread: Anyone see their future?

I occasionally have dreams that show a short bit from my future. Usually nothing exciting, like a conversation I'll have. Or maybe a warning -- like once I dreamed about a truck driving the wrong way on a one-way street I often take. And about a week later it happened, and since I was expecting it, I was able to avoid a crash.

But not like: I'll live in such and suck house, I'll have such and such job, I'll have a certain ammount of money, blah blah. Not that stuff.

well i haven't LDed me future before but i have regular dreamed my future before like strong Dejavu

this is so weird, I had one of these dreams last night. In the dream, my brother cut down the swing in my backyard and put it somewhere else, and when I woke up this morning, I walked into the living room, and my mom started yelling at my sister. I looked out the window, and my sister had a knife, trying to cut down the swing. Although it wasn't cut completely like in the dream

More often than I care to admit. It makes it hard later to remember the chronological order of events because my memory of them is from the dream.

Yea - A lot - So much so that i was waiting for certain things to happen and they did - a little word of warning though - I used to get dreams where i make a huge mistake and the following day i would worry about it so much that I would create the dream/mistake - A bit of a chickn n egg thing.

Really - This happened so much that i got myself into a state of paranoia - i started to ignore my dreams and things got better - but - ive been getting more unhappy! anyone have advice?

Don't ignore your dreams, if anything, pay more attention to them. I used to dream about the future a lot when I was younger and came to realize that knowing what's going to happen and remembering what has already happened are very much the same feeling. So just as you learn to deal with bad things that have happened in your past you should be equally accepting of the future. And if it all gets too much, focus on the only time that really matters, the present.

Telling the future. Hmm.

First, dreams about things that are happening when you wake up don't count because you are obviously reacting to the external world.

Second, ambiguous things like 'you'll be in a car crash' don't count, because there is quite a high chance you'll be in a car crash in your lifetime.

Third, things that you could do by unawares simply because of certainty that you were telling the future don't count - example, if you have a dream about nearly drowning and you are certain that it is a sign for the future, then more than likely you will nearly drown because it is so etched into your brain - your mind is powerful in that way.

Only very specific things that could not be affected by your conscience count - A large meteor will hit New York City in September, obliterating nearly all lifeforms in the area.

But there is a larger reason to tread very carefully around the subject of future-telling.

Invisibility is possible. It has been crudely demonstrated, even. Same with teleportation - physicists and engineers have teleported photons. Faster than light travel, time travelling (though past is debateable), phasers, levitation - all possible.

Precognition isn't. It is in direct violation of the most celebrated laws of physics. Just as impossible as free energy.

That is why I don't believe any of my lucid dreams, nor anyone elses, will tell the future.

I believe that dreams hold the keys to your possible futures.

Note that I say futures because you don't have one path set in stone.

My dreams have foretold events, though most of them were metaphorical.

Your subconsciousness can put together likely scenarios for what may happen late in life, and may reveal this in your dreams.

Of course, it is possible that your dreams may be just be empty visions like most will believe.

Originally Posted by Inny Binny

That is why I don't believe any of my lucid dreams, nor anyone elses, will tell the future.

Being a person who does not go by life strictly on scientific theories and laws, I have to disagree entirely with those last two lines.

I'll take it that you don't at all believe in those who claim to be psychics or in premonition.

I say that they exist, either that, or there are people out there that are really damn good at guessing.

Being a person who does not go by life strictly on scientific theories and laws, I have to disagree entirely with those last two lines.

Unfortunately, this doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me. Don't go strictly by science? Well, I guess the subject of lucid dreaming would lend itself more toward the paranormal, though of course the subject has nothing to do with that.

Every phenomenon - and by every phenomenon, I mean repeatable experiments that aren't only available to the 'chosen ones' (always very suspicious) - can be, and has been or is being explained in scientific terms.

You could say there are things beyond the life we see - life is just a dream, there is a god, etc. - however, that has no implications on the life we see around us, and anything within our lives and the universe is explained by science. If psychic powers turn out to be true, then science will come up with a way to explain it.

I believe this is quite a common misconception when people say 'I think there are things beyond science'. Well, no. Sure, there's the unexplainable now, but this is what science does - it explains stuff. The unexplainable now is not unexplainable forever.

And definitely, I think there would be a huge number of scientists that would love precognoition to be a reality! They love to find loopholes in our laws to allow weird things.

However, precognition is strictly forbidden by our laws, and it is exceptionally unlikely that those laws change.

So - science explains things. It would explain precognition, it would explain psiballs, whatever. Many paranormal things are just very unlikely to be explained, because they are forbidden - and really, there has been no repeatable surely demonstrating precognition.

Just a few things:

I believe that dreams hold the keys to your possible futures.

Note that I say futures because you don't have one path set in stone.

My dreams have foretold events, though most of them were metaphorical.

Your subconsciousness can put together likely scenarios for what may happen late in life, and may reveal this in your dreams.

Of course, it is possible that your dreams may be just be empty visions like most will believe.

That is rather ambiguous. Multiple futures? Metaphorical? That is very vague. It seems you are more applying in life what you learnt from dreams, rather than true precognition. It's like a dream says 'you will go to hell if you don't stop smoking'. It was a motivating dream, for sure. It isn't telling your future though. It is your mind merely provoking your inner guilt and conscience, the little voice being given a megaphone, to make you think 'hmmm...'.

That kind of thing. It's a really good thing. However, with vague descriptions such as 'multiple futures' and 'metaphorical', there is no way that could even remotely be an example of precognition.

I say that they exist, either that, or there are people out there that are really damn good at guessing.

Ah, these people are pretty good at their job. Only on a psychological level, however. Once again, their descriptions are vague - you will find a new man or woman, you will have a new house quite soon - but just specific enough for their customers to take heart from it. The thing is, very often the people believe so much that they will find someone or get a new house 'sometime soon' that it is really their own actions, their own motivation that causes them to do so.

The other type of predictions they tend to give is something that can be related to many different things. Similiar to that random number machine that supposedly predicted 9/11 and other things. There were spikes of sorts, yet these spikes could have been related to anything. There were spikes around 9/11 and a couple of other things, yet there are no spikes for many other large events, and I wouldn't be surprised if there's other spikes that happened where they couldn't think up any events to ascribe to them. These sorts of predictions are ones where you can interpret it many different ways, so the thing is surely going to come true.

Originally Posted by Inny Binny

If psychic powers turn out to be true, then science will come up with a way to explain it.

I somewhat agree, some way or another, science should be able to prove it.

Originally Posted by Inny Binny

thing is, very often the people believe so much that they will find someone or get a new house 'sometime soon' that it is really their own actions, their own motivation that causes them to do so.

While many "psychics" do that kind of ambiguous guessing, there are a few I have come in contact with that have made VERY specific predictions.

One in particular: just in August one said that my grandfather would be having very specific health problems and needed to be closely watched or else he would die. She said that he didn't want to worry us with his problems, which turned out to be true. Just the next week, he had major heart problems which were VERY narrowly averted since we were watching him closely. If it weren't for that psychic, he would be dead now.

I have also had situations where certain things were mentioned, and not A SINGLE thing was guessed during my experience.

I have seen many fake psychics, but I am positive that at least two of those are legitimate.

There are things out there that can't be proven.

Now I would rather not go into religion here, but it's the same thing. People will believe in God while at the same time the existence of God cannot be proven or denied, you just have to have faith in the subject.

I believe in many paranormal theories, and to tell the honest truth, I think that in the end, science won't mean a damn thing.

Originally Posted by Scarhand

I somewhat agree, some way or another, science should be able to prove it.

I'm onto a theory where if sharing a dream is possible? The only way that, that could work is if we had beta wave recievers and transmiters? It's possible?

haha Other than that, it's beyond me.

Nope

Originally Posted by Tweek

I'm onto a theory where if sharing a dream is possible? The only way that, that could work is if we had beta wave recievers and transmiters? It's possible?

haha Other than that, it's beyond me.

Well, I said that science SHOULD, not could, be able to prove it's point.

I'm not so sure that sharing dreams would work unless both somehow could tap into each others minds. Though I've also heard theories that all dreamers connect into a central HUD of sorts while dreaming. (Though I find this outrageous at most, I believe that we all have our own separate dreams)

I'm sure you've heard of the Nightstalkers and Dreamwalkers, so it would be somewhat like that, where powerful LDers can phase into others dreams.

I do believe in that, though I have my doubts.

While many "psychics" do that kind of ambiguous guessing, there are a few I have come in contact with that have made VERY specific predictions.

One in particular: just in August one said that my grandfather would be having very specific health problems and needed to be closely watched or else he would die. She said that he didn't want to worry us with his problems, which turned out to be true. Just the next week, he had major heart problems which were VERY narrowly averted since we were watching him closely. If it weren't for that psychic, he would be dead now.

I have also had situations where certain things were mentioned, and not A SINGLE thing was guessed during my experience.

I'd ask a few questions, but they're probably a bit too probing, a bit rude.

I have seen several seemingly realistic predictions as well. There are a vast number of tricks available to them, however. Not least there are quite deceiving ways of garnering information out of people.

Now I would rather not go into religion here, but it's the same thing. People will believe in God while at the same time the existence of God cannot be proven or denied, you just have to have faith in the subject.

No, they are completely different. Under science, precognition has been proved wrong, and based on history, this will stand (I can explain this further if you wish). A god cannot be proved wrong at all, because he/it transcends the universe. Predognition resides within the universe, and has everything to do with it, whereas a god has nothing to do with the restrictions of the universe, and is completely external. I also tend to avoid the notion of a god as well, however, because it follows the agnostic notion of it-could-be-right-because-you-can't-prove-it, which is a ridiculous appeal to probability. Anyway...

There are things out there that can't be proven.

Rubbish. Once again, every problem that we have tackled with the tools of science has been eventually solved.

I believe in many paranormal theories, and to tell the honest truth, I think that in the end, science won't mean a damn thing.

Same again. You see, the thing is that there has been absolutely no effort to explain many paranormal 'theories' (for want of a better word, this implies that the paranormal theories are as rigorous and as backed up by evidence/proof as their scientific equivalents, which is ridiculous, of course) because there has been absolutely no experiements available that could be repeated and controlled. This is exceptionally suspicious, because if you can't repeat the experiment...well, then it's just a nonexistant effect.

I have but one word to say to that.

Touché.

I highly dislike close minded people. They're fuc*ing annoying.

Originally Posted by shotbirds

I highly dislike close minded people. They're fuc*ing annoying.

Being "close-minded" to precognition is the same as being "close-minded" to Christianity. Meaning it isn't actually being close minded; it is a matter of opinion and belief.

Why do I lump dream cognition with religion? Neither are truly provable. Neither can be falsified.

I once dreampt that I found a spider in my toybox, and I did the next day.

I once dreampt that I was abducted by a man in a white impala. Fiction.

If you consider the danger-modeling explanation as to why we dream, the appearance of seemingly precognitive dreams is logical. There are many viable dreams that could come true. Most of them don't. "Precognition" is without reliability, and as such, is useless to try and "harness." Harnessing precognition is like trying to harness how a dice rolls: you can't.

Originally Posted by Abra

Being "close-minded" to precognition is the same as being "close-minded" to Christianity. Meaning it isn't actually being close minded; it is a matter of opinion and belief.

Why do I lump dream cognition with religion? Neither are truly provable. Neither can be falsified.

I once dreampt that I found a spider in my toybox, and I did the next day.

I once dreampt that I was abducted by a man in a white impala. Fiction.

If you consider the danger-modeling explanation as to why we dream, the appearance of seemingly precognitive dreams is logical. There are many viable dreams that could come true. Most of them don't. "Precognition" is without reliability, and as such, is useless to try and "harness." Harnessing precognition is like trying to harness how a dice rolls: you can't.

That is almost exactly what I was trying to say. Thank you.

Why do I lump dream cognition with religion? Neither are truly provable. Neither can be falsified.

But that is false. Physics strictly forbids precognition. What difference does it make if it's in a dream?

A god certainly isn't explicitly forbidden however. Even the omniscience paradox isn't foolproo; one could easily say a god transcends logic.

I do agree with you with this however:

I highly dislike close minded people. They're fuc*ing annoying.

Excuse me?

Can I also say that you are terribly close-minded by disreagarding all of science that has been built up by thousands upon thousands of incredibly intelligent people even though you more than likely do not actually know the science anyway?

"Precognition" is without reliability, and as such, is useless to try and "harness."

I'm sure you meant this, but this is of course not precognition.

Harnessing precognition is like trying to harness how a dice rolls: you can't.

This is a misleading anology, but correct in what it implies - if precognition followed probabilistic principles it would most certainly be accepted as scientific.

You are right of course by saying that no useful information can come from dice or precognition attempts (at the moment, until an experiment is devised) - but the future-telling people can't even get up a suitable experiment to test for the thing, so we conlude that it does not exist - coupled with the fact that it isn't allowed to in the first place.

(Precognition that doesn't yield any information wouldn't be precognition anyway)

That's never happened to me before That would be hecka cool though.....

i had a dream once that i crashed in a plane upside down (like the plane crashed upside down) and then the next day on the front page of the paper there was a picture of a plane that crashed upside down.