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Well that's what DEILD'ing is all about isn't it?

Originally Posted by Edo

Well that's what DEILD'ing is all about isn't it?

DEILDing won't make you wake up after every single normal dream, will it?

Originally Posted by Arutad

Hm, I don't have a notion, every time I'm remembering a dream it's like it's the only one continuous dream.

But I'd like to read some description of a few dreams without gaps of memory in-between, to see how you separate them. You have a dream diary online with such a description maybe?


That's the problem! If new characters walked into your room and you started socializing, would it make it a totally new dream... I don't know. If you went out of your house into the street, would it be a new one... No idea. I guess no. The boundaries are blurry, if they even exist, no definite "plot" to come to end. Except probably dreams of death, but luckily I didn't have any.

The only ones I see really being difficult are false awakenings, because they seem like two separate dreams but are really just one. Otherwise I don't think I've ever had a problem. For the dreams that I remember, I usually wake up after each dream, so there is a definite end to them and therefore a beginning. I don't have an online DJ but here's an example of a good day (a ton of dreams! )

Spoiler for 04-26-2008:

04-26-2008, 12:25 PM Sleeping for 15+ hours… lots of cool dreams.

So last night I took a “nap” at 7 pm, and woke up at midnight. I took out my contacts, and went back to sleep from 12-5. I got up at 5 to see if a friend had messaged me online about hanging out early this morning (early being about 7 am) but she hadn’t, so I went back to sleep until 10.

In one of the early dreams, there was like this crazy biker club or something and they kept trying to kill people, including me. But I was also trying to kill people. Then one of my childhood friends showed up, who is Asian. And my dad was there. I remember hiding behind cars in a parking lot to get away from the bikers, though.

In another dream, that same friend was apparently visiting Florida. She was in her car, and I was in mine, and we were driving to I guess my house. We were on a dream interstate, and I was driving way too fast (as I sometimes do). I saw she was being left behind, and then that there were some cops on the left side of the road, so I pulled off into someone’s driveway. Then once I’d seen my friend pass, I got back on and eventually woke up. This was my first real driving dream, I think. I am usually the passenger in cars.

In another dream, I am wandering around my campus. I kept walking from X to other buildings, and forgetting things all over the place, and kept seeing Y and Z. I remember it was really hot, and I was all sweaty and embarrassed, and I kept losing my shoes, or something like that. Then all of these people showed up in my dorm room, profs and students, and they were like “omg this place is such a mess!” and I was like, “I know! It’s because I keep losing things!” and somehow that made sense.

In another dream, I was in this apartment complex that was a lot like an Escher piece. The place was all crazy, but at some parts it was more like a hotel, like we didn’t even live there. So mom was there, and X, and at some point we all heard this strange sound so X had his gun out and we were going up this crazy staircase that may have been sometimes going down, and there were catwalks and sidewalks in the air above us and X was convinced it was some sort of bad guy, but I told him to stop overreacting and put his gun away. Then suddenly I am with Z and some woman who is her mom, and we are at the entrance to the apartment complex, which is an expensive touchy-feely hippie grocery store. They ask if I am going to get anything, so I pick up a piece of bubble yum gum (one piece, in a wrapper) that has sprinkles on it. I think it’s a shame that it has these sprinkles on it, but pass through the checkout line anyways. Then I wake up.(I can't really tell you why and it's been months since that dream, but I remember it very vividly and I know that somehow it segwayed into that topic, but that it was the same dream. The store was the front of the compound where this crazy apartment complex/hotel thing was

Eventually I fall into a dream where it is a False Awakening, even though I was never asleep in the first place.(meaning that I fell asleep and in the dream I was just awake in my room... a dream in my room, basically) I am in my room, sitting at my computer chair, and it is incredibly dark, and a clock says it is 2:30. I can’t see anything out of my right eye, and start panicking. Then I decide it must be from all the dreaming that I have been doing. I decide I want to get up and turn on the lights, which are at the switch on the other side of the room. As I’m contemplating this, I think I’d better hurry or Zelda or Emily will show up (Pet Sematary, Exorcism of Emily Rose). Of course they do, on the floor writhing, and I think if I can just get to that light switch, everything will be ok! I get up and run to jump over them, but they are somehow now a ghost floating in midair. I push my way through this ghostly figure, and reach the light switch, and turn it on and wake up. I wasn’t even scared as I rolled over to go back to sleep until I remembered the dream! The time is only 1:30.

I fall back asleep and am now on my campus yet again. In this dream, I am in the parking lot in front of the gym, with a group of students and two who seem to be older. They are taking us to get our school pictures taken inside of the gym. So we go in, and in this room to the right is the photo teacher. It is actually my photo teacher from highschool, but I don’t realize that this is strange until I wake up. In the dream, we are all crammed into this tiny antechamber to the room where his camera is set up. The older students give us all toothpicks to clean our teeth with for the photos, and I remember mine being very dull and hurting a lot, and wishing that I had a pointier one to actually get in between the teeth. I was reaching for a new one, when the photo teacher finally comes into the room, and I see that his hair is now longer and curly in the back, and pulled into a ponytail. I think this is gross. At first he is holding his camera, which I see is a D80. I am immediately jealous, as this is much better than my camera. Then I look again, because I am sure that as a professional photographer, he’d have a much better one. The number says D80000000000000000000000000000000000 and the 0s get longer every time I look. Annoyed at how much better THIS camera must be, I look away for a minute. When I glance back, he is now holding a trumpet. He lets out a terrible, loud, off-key note and asks if we’d like to hear a joke. We all sort of stand there, so he blows again on the trumpet and then tells us and then I wake up. This one had a ton of dialogue!

I have another dream where my brother is chasing me all over the neighborhood, which starts out as our real neighborhood but evolves into a new dream neighborhood. He keeps chasing me for some reason, and I can turn into a bird so I keep flying away, but I can’t fly very high and he always managed to corner me. Very strange. Then there was some sort of royal banquet, and all these women were squabbling over the king, and then it turns out that I was so good at escaping my brother and turning into a bird, or something, that he decides that I’ll be his wife.

Then in my next dream it is a similar situation, except then it transforms into throwing a birthday party for my mom which I am trying to get my dad to fund but then I remember that they hate each other and eventually I wake up. It’s worth noting that the guy in the dream, the king, seemed very Egyptian, and may have even been the guy from The Mummy.

Originally Posted by Arutad

DEILDing won't make you wake up after every single normal dream, will it?

No no, a DEILD works under the theory that if you wake up from a dream, but don't move, your body will fall back asleep and you will remain in/return to REM sleep nearly immediately, allowing you to WILD with ease. So the idea is that you naturally wake up after each dream, and that if you can remember to keep your body still you can WILD easier. I have heard all over the place that you 'wake up naturally after each dream', and that REM can be continued in such a manner, but for all I know this is complete BS. It's a nice theory to keep you motivated and thinking a DEILD can happen, though.

This thread basically proves that useing a dream journal really does help for all you newbs,
Before my dream journal, I didn't remember any dreams only a little.

Hey Shift,

Thanx for the excerpt, that was a good day for dreams, indeed.

But I wonder, what happened between them? Your excerpt has not many details, it's more of an outline (and I understand that, writing each dream in details is a chore!). E.g. here:

Spoiler for 04-26-2008:

I have another dream where my brother is chasing me all over the neighborhood, which starts out as our real neighborhood but evolves into a new dream neighborhood. He keeps chasing me for some reason, and I can turn into a bird so I keep flying away, but I can’t fly very high and he always managed to corner me. Very strange. Then there was some sort of royal banquet, and all these women were squabbling over the king, and then it turns out that I was so good at escaping my brother and turning into a bird, or something, that he decides that I’ll be his wife.

Then in my next dream it is a similar situation, except then it transforms into throwing a birthday party for my mom which I am trying to get my dad to fund but then I remember that they hate each other and eventually I wake up. It’s worth noting that the guy in the dream, the king, seemed very Egyptian, and may have even been the guy from The Mummy.

Do you remember what happened between them, how the dream got transformed into another one?

So the idea is that you naturally wake up after each dream, and that if you can remember to keep your body still you can WILD easier. I have heard all over the place that you 'wake up naturally after each dream', and that REM can be continued in such a manner, but for all I know this is complete BS.

Come to think of it, I heard it somewhere, too. But didn't they mean that you wake up after each REM briefly, not after each dream?

Originally Posted by Arutad

Hey Shift,

Thanx for the excerpt, that was a good day for dreams, indeed.

But I wonder, what happened between them? Your excerpt has not many details, it's more of an outline (and I understand that, writing each dream in details is a chore!). E.g. here:

Spoiler for 04-26-2008:

I have another dream where my brother is chasing me all over the neighborhood, which starts out as our real neighborhood but evolves into a new dream neighborhood. He keeps chasing me for some reason, and I can turn into a bird so I keep flying away, but I can’t fly very high and he always managed to corner me. Very strange. Then there was some sort of royal banquet, and all these women were squabbling over the king, and then it turns out that I was so good at escaping my brother and turning into a bird, or something, that he decides that I’ll be his wife.

Then in my next dream it is a similar situation, except then it transforms into throwing a birthday party for my mom which I am trying to get my dad to fund but then I remember that they hate each other and eventually I wake up. It’s worth noting that the guy in the dream, the king, seemed very Egyptian, and may have even been the guy from The Mummy.

Do you remember what happened between them, how the dream got transformed into another one?


Come to think of it, I heard it somewhere, too. But didn't they mean that you wake up after each REM briefly, not after each dream?

Yea, that's what I'm saying. I don't remember the specific details (it has been quite a while since then). last night I didn't record any of my dreams except for a lucid, but I woke up between each one so those I remember are definitely very segmented. Usually it's just a brief awakening, and that I've taught myself to wake up consciously a bit between dreams to review them quickly before I go back to sleep. I'm going to really start keeping a dream journal again and see if I can give you some more detailed examples. Like I said though, it's mostly "and the pink elephants blew out their birthday candles. I woke up. In another dream..." so literally just waking up, reviewing a dream, then going back to sleep. Just as though I recorded them between each dream during the night, but mentally.

Yea, I'm wondering now... so many people use REM and dream interchangeably, I wonder what the truth is.... In two weeks, if we haven't figured it out I shall try to determine the answer. I hate to realize I've been contributing to confusion

Originally Posted by Shift

Usually it's just a brief awakening, and that I've taught myself to wake up consciously a bit between dreams to review them quickly before I go back to sleep.

I still don't get the idea. How do you wake up consciously between dreams?! I can wake up consciously only if I decided that an LD has been lasting long enough to pose a danger of losing lucidity and forgetting it, then the best way is waking up to replay it in memory. But how can you "choose" to wake up after normal dreams if you aren't lucid? How is it trainable? I don't understand.

I'm going to really start keeping a dream journal again and see if I can give you some more detailed examples.

Okay, if so, then you can give me a link to your journal or to an excerpt later, via PM or anything

Like I said though, it's mostly "and the pink elephants blew out their birthday candles. I woke up. In another dream..." so literally just waking up, reviewing a dream, then going back to sleep.

Hm, but the question is, if you somehow trained yourself to wake up, then what would happen if you didn't wake up? Maybe the dream wouldn't end. I know it sounds like I'm not making much sense here, but to me it sounds as if you've managed to program yourself to wake up once a definite amount of time has passed and not at the end of a dream, at least I cannot fathom how you'd know inside of an unconscious dream that it's coming to an end.

Yea, I'm wondering now... so many people use REM and dream interchangeably, I wonder what the truth is....

If I'm not mistaken, REM is quite long... 90 or more minutes. One dream is bound to be shorter than one REM!

Originally Posted by Arutad

I still don't get the idea. How do you wake up consciously between dreams?! I can wake up consciously only if I decided that an LD has been lasting long enough to pose a danger of losing lucidity and forgetting it, then the best way is waking up to replay it in memory. But how can you "choose" to wake up after normal dreams if you aren't lucid? How is it trainable? I don't understand.


Okay, if so, then you can give me a link to your journal or to an excerpt later, via PM or anything


Hm, but the question is, if you somehow trained yourself to wake up, then what would happen if you didn't wake up? Maybe the dream wouldn't end. I know it sounds like I'm not making much sense here, but to me it sounds as if you've managed to program yourself to wake up once a definite amount of time has passed and not at the end of a dream, at least I cannot fathom how you'd know inside of an unconscious dream that it's coming to an end.


If I'm not mistaken, REM is quite long... 90 or more minutes. One dream is bound to be shorter than one REM!

Well, does it matter if I wake up 'prematurely'? I mean, what does that mean anyway. The fact that I woke up and the dream no longer continued means it was the end of the dream.

I will post here or PM you

I didn't really train myself to wake up. I trained myself that, when I woke up, I should review a dream if I was aware and remembered that I had just woken up from one.