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[AirRick101]

Hey, I got this email from some guy who had a link to this site advertising an ebook that claims to tell you everything you need to know to have LD's nearly every night with supplements. I'm wondering if anybody else got the same message, or even tried the product, or if it's at all plausible. So far, I know b6 is probably one of the most popular supplements to induce LD's, but that's about all I know concerning that area.

[Tornado Joe]

Interesting - I gave the site a quick lookover. For the most part it seems legitimate. There is a clear information about the author, some legal aggreement to fill out should you purchase, various ways of contacting the author (even an address). The outline of the program described on the left hand side sounds about right: "increase memory" (recall), "increase focus and attention"(reality checks), "increase motivation, confidence, and creativity (sounds like MILD), and finally the last step is pretty much using your LDs to help your ailments. Pretty much the same steps we describe here on the site. Only thing missing is the supplement itself. But, if you think about it, if the supplement is all non-prescription it's likely that it contains nothing but the same vitamins and supplements mentioned here as well. Would be interesting to see exactly which particular ones he recommends.

[JaphyR]

A little too hyped for my liking: "Did You Know That There Has Been A MAJOR ADVANCEMENT In LD & OBE Induction Techniques?" -Shouting at us. "Many people will experience an extremely high level lucid dream on the very first night!" -Untestable claim promising the quick answer we all want. Oooh! Maybe I'll be one of the "many people"! "No Other Method can come close to producing these kinds of results." -Amazingly, they have the only good method available. "Only $26.95 - Buy Now!" -Just let us have your money, and everything will be peachy. Can't wait to send them my money.

[Thomas]

I am the author of this e-book. My name is Thomas Yuschak and I have been studying lucid dreaming for many years. I used traditional methods for a long time, coupled with various Qigong exercises, and had developed the ability to have lucid dreams a couple times a month on a regular basis. About a year or so ago I was part of a discussion on the lucidity institute forum concerning a breakthrough in the supplement approach to inducing lucid dreams. For reasons that aren&#39;t totally clear, that topic was banned by the administrators. There is a good possibility that the topic was banned because of a patent application by Mr. LaBerge that covered one class of what I call lucid dream triggers. I will be happy to tell you the supplements discussed in the book but I sincerely warn you not to go out and try them until you understand why and how they work. My book doesn&#39;t just name the supplements but also gives the theory behind why they work and fully describes how to find the right dose for any individual while avoiding any negative side effects and/or desensitization/tolerance. The book also describes how to combine the supplements in different ways that are extremely, and I do mean extremely effective at inducing lucid dreams. For the record, I have no ambitions of getting rich or stealing anybodies money. The book is valued at a fair price concerning the amount of time and effort that I put into it and because the quality of information is very high. There is also an unconditional money back guarantee if the buyer is not totally satisfied. Here is the table of contents: <div align="center">Part 1: Theoretical Background CHAPTER 1 Opening Remarks CHAPTER 2 Review of the Sleep Cycle CHAPTER 3 Review of the REM Rebound Effect CHAPTER 4 Predominate Dream Theories CHAPTER 5 Neurotransmitters and Dreaming Part 2: Individual Supplement Profiles CHAPTER 6 Important Definitions CHAPTER 7 Galantamine CHAPTER 8 GPC (Glycerophosphocholine) CHAPTER 9 Nicotine CHAPTER 10 Piracetam CHAPTER 11 Mucuna Pruriens CHAPTER 12 Yohimbine CHAPTER 13 5-HTP (5-hydroxytryptophan) CHAPTER 14 Melatonin Part 3: Achieving High Level Lucid Dreams CHAPTER 15 Are You Ready For This? CHAPTER 16 Understanding the Strategy CHAPTER 17 Gaining Experience CHAPTER 18 Counteracting Desensitization and Tolerance CHAPTER 19 The Full Program CHAPTER 20 Other Effective Combinations Part 4: Improving Your Odds CHAPTER 21 Daytime Practice CHAPTER 22 Preparation and Transitioning CHAPTER 23 Breaking Down the Wall CHAPTER 24 Keeping an Up to Date Log CHAPTER 25 Where Do I go From Here? References Index</div> CAUTION - the doses described in the book are all sub-theraputic which means that they generally produce no negative side effects. However some of these supplements will produce negative side effects if large doses are taken. The book explains not only the maximum doses that one should consider but also a means of finding the right dose for a specific individual. I apologize to anyone who got my email and felt as though they were getting spammed. It was not my intention. I thought that emailing some forum members would be the best way to let people know that such a book exists. Concerning the hype on the website. Although it is written as a sales page, the information is true. This is a truly amazing breakthrough in induction techniques. It would not be correct to say otherwise. Best dreams, Thomas

[Jess]

There is a good possibility that the topic was banned because of a patent application by Mr. LaBerge that covered one class of what I call lucid dream triggers.[/b] What are the 'lucid dream triggers'? I only ask because it's not possible to patent a discovery/scientific theory/mathematical method etc. One requirement of patentability is that the thing to be patented be capable of industrial application ie you can make it. You can't make an abstract idea. You should tell LaBerge that. You probably know this already but I thought I'd say in case you didn't.

[OpheliaBlue]

ok this is starting to reek a bit of spam we'll see where this goes before I lock/move it

[Tornado Joe]

Only spam I see here is that avatar! --- PS- hey, image you posted is being tripod blocked

[Thomas]

The main triggers act to boost acetylcholine levels in the brain. These include Galantamine, GPC, and nicotine. A second class of triggers acts to boost norepineprhine in the brain. This would be Yohimbine. The triggers only work if taken under the right set of circumstances. The supporting supplements either suppress REM sleep prior to an attempt (5-htp and/or melatonin) or boost dopamine levels (Mucuna Pruriens). Specifically Mr. LaBerge’s patent covered AChE inhibitors. These substances, of which Galantamine is one, prevent the break down of acetylcholine. Here is some useful information contained in the patent: and I quote: "A method of enhancing lucid dreaming comprising administration to individuals the Acetylcholine Esterase inhibitor class of drugs. Use of therapeutic agents recently developed for Alzheimer"s Disease such as Donepizil (Aricept.RTM.), Rivastigmin (Exelon.RTM.), Galantamine (Reminyl.RTM., Nivalin.RTM.), and Huperzine results in minimal side-effects (e.g., insomnia and gastrointestinal symptoms) while significantly enhancing dreaming cognitive clarity, lucidity, self-reflection, recall, control, bizarreness, and visual vividness." [0012] This invention relates to the field of Lucid Dreaming and the enhancement of dream recall and dream lucidity through memory enhancing drugs, including the class of substances that comprise Acetylcholine Esterase inhibitors (AChEls). Lucid dreaming involves dreaming while knowing that you are dreaming. AChE inhibitors (AchEl's) inhibit the normal metabolic inactivation of Acetylcholine (ACh) by inhibiting the enzyme, Acetylcholine Esterase (AChE), leading to accumulation of Ach. AchEl's are most commonly used to enhance memory, particularly in patients suffering from Alzheimer's disease. Ach is also well known to be important in REM and thus is suggested herein to enhance dreaming and lucidity. " end quote. The following is a summary of an experiment using Donepizil. Donepizil is also an AChE inhibitor but it available only by prescription. and I quote: "[0013] While investigating the efficacy of donepizil (Aricept.RTM.) as a means to enhance lucid dreaming and cognitive clarity during REM sleep in normal subjects, the following experiment was performed with the following results: A randomized, double blind, placebo-controlled crossover trial was performed with ten normal volunteers self-selected for high dream recall and interest in lucid dreaming (7 male, 3 female, age 22-55). Subjects collected dream content and other self-report measures on three nights, separated by a washout period of at least one week. At bedtime, they took capsules containing 0 (placebo), 5, or 10 mg of donepizil, with counter-balanced order of the three dosages. After each spontaneous awakening during the three nights, Ss evaluated dream content on a range of measures including bizarreness, complexity, and intensity, affect, cognitive clarity, lucidity, and control. They also estimated sleep quality, insomnia, and degree of any adverse effects. [0014] RESULTS: Nine of the 10 Ss (90%) reported one or more lucid dreams on the experimental nights, with only one S reporting a lucid dream on a placebo night. Cognitive clarity, lucidity, recall, control, bizarreness, and visual vividness were all significantly elevated with donepizil compared to placebo. The effects were generally dose-related with 10 mg donepizil producing significantly higher levels of these variables than the 5 mg dose, which in turn produced significant elevations compared to placebo. Odds of lucid dreaming for the three conditions increased from 0.031 for placebo, to 0.429 for 5 mg donepizil, and 0.754 for 10 mg donepizil. " end quote" Happy dreaming. Thomas

[OpheliaBlue]

Only spam I see here is that avatar! --- PS- hey, image you posted is being tripod blocked [/b] oh it was just a smiley making an "ew stinkyyyyy" face and the avatar says hoflake

[JaphyR]

Mr. Yuschak, I am glad to see you here speaking for yourself. Concerning the hype on the website. Although it is written as a sales page, the information is true. This is a truly amazing breakthrough in induction techniques. It would not be correct to say otherwise.[/b] Yes, concerning the hype on the website. Your writing in this post is much different than anything on your website. There are ways to write a sales page which communicate the strengths of a product or service without crossing over to sensationalism, but there's really no question, that page is all sensationalism. I'm not going to go into detail here, you are welcome to pm me if you care to hear any more specific thoughts on that matter. You might consider toning down the sensationalism if you truly believe you've got something meaningful to offer.

[Reality's Flaw]

Plus, it's never really been condoned in marketing to go post in forums and stuff (Plus it's against the law to email someone who hasn't given you consent to do so i.e. them knowingly giving you their email address, and is finable up to $100,000&#33. I know cause I used to study marketing, and was always warned that it's a bad idea. Plus, of course he's gonna post this stuff here of all places, where we always talk about lucid dreams. Believe me, after my days of studying this marketing stuff, I just simply don't believe any online salesman anymore. Nobody every really gets what they pay for.

[rexle]

if you want your product to be taken seriously you should take away that picture of the guy with lightning bolts coming out of his hands

[Jess]

Did LaBerge make his own pill combining all those drugs into a new pill that no one else has made before? If the patent application is just for the, administration to individuals the Acetylcholine Esterase inhibitor class of drugs.[/b] Then it should fail, but I expect he knows what he's doing and has patented a new drug and the manufacturing process.

[Thomas]

I love that picture. I have created many a thunderstorm in my LDs. The lucidity Institute is not yet selling any pill but the patent leads one to believe that they soon will. Thomas

[Thomas]

Hello all, I have decided to end the controversy once and for all. I am going to temporarily suspend the sale of my book until the beginning of 2007. In the meantime I am going to run a research study using 30 volunteers to try the method and report on their results. Over the next few days I am going to work out the details and then I will be going to a number of forums, including this one, to seek out the volunteers. Thomas

[Tornado Joe]

The lucidity Institute is not yet selling any pill but the patent leads one to believe that they soon will[/b] I was fortunate enought to spend 10 days with LaBerge at one of his "dreamcamps" last year. We were given the opportunity to take part in one of his studies involving these inhibitors. The pills we used were available online already (I can PM you the brand if you want) and not a creation of his own, as far as I know. As stated in that copyright thinggy posted above, they are available as a supplement for treating Alzheimer's. I also did not get the impression that he has any interest in developing any "gimmicks" for lucid dreaming. Last I heard he was looking for someone else to develop and market the NovaDreamer so that the institute could concentrate solely on research of lucid dreaming. As for the experiment I took part in (which took 3 nights and included one night of a placebo) I found the supplement to make a difference and have continued to experiment with it on my own for sometime after. I haven't taken any more since I ran out. I've been pretty much going through a "dry spell" since. I would only recommend the supplement to those who are in their 30's or older, since it is around that age when those levels of acetylcholine drop.

[Jess]

Originally posted by Tornado Joe The pills we used were available online already (I can PM you the brand if you want) and not a creation of his own, as far as I know. As stated in that copyright thinggy posted above, they are available as a supplement for treating Alzheimer's. That's what I thought, but if that's true I don't think it's possible to own any intellectual property rights in it... I'd be interested to know what the brand is please, thanks.

[JaphyR]

Why all the interest in supplements for LD's? It seems from some of the more experienced LD'ers on the site that training your mind over a long period of time to pay attention to dreams, results in fairly regular LDs. So why make yourself dependent on supplements to have LDs? Do people want to spend the rest of their lives having to take supplements to have a lucid dream?

[Thomas]

The AdvancedLD website is now up and running. If you have the time, check it out. http://www.advancedld.com There are some research studies that have started that you can sign up for in order to experience the power of some of these supplements first hand and a large portion of the ebook is available for free if you're interested. To get to the free sections follow the link below and scroll to the bottom of the page and click on the preview link. http://www.advancedld.com/PowerofSupplements.html Take Care, Thomas

[ZmillA]

That website is down but I did just get down reading this research paper about supplement use and LDs, that this thomas guy wrote (I know this thread is very old http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a

[Jeff777]

I know this thread is very old as well but I just finished reading Thomas's book and am floored. I tried visting the website and (as the user above me said) it is down. Thomas...if you still visit this site, would you mind telling me of an alternate website link you may have started or how we might go about contacting you/reading more of your work?

[Jurence]

So its practice blah blah B6 blah blah?

[Jeff777]

So its practice blah blah B6 blah blah? No...you're ignorant. Within the 177 pages of his book, B6 is mentioned very rarely. I suggest you look into it. It's definitely worth the read.

[Sir Mark]

I'm about half way through his book. My LD experience hasn't been the best and am hoping, despite the book stating it's for experienced LD'ers that the disciplined use the supplements outlined in the dosages recommended and AFTER I speak with my physican may well help me break through.

[ninja9578]

I don't like when dead threads come back