Thread: Lucidity Levels

Sure Seeker I'll be more than happy to share my experiences. And I really appreciate you welcoming me sorry I didn't reply before but things were kinda crazy between Lucius and I as you already know. Well I guess I would consider myself High Level because most of my years I've been Lucid since I can remember I was a little boy. So mostly my experiences are dedicated to perfecting this gift and thats what I see it as a Gift. Everytime I achieve Lucidity in my dreams I dedicate it to perfecting something new in my lucid state. Creating Whole Enviorments changing Objects, people and willing things to either move or lurch or dissappear are no longer fun to me. Even perfecting Flight now. when I was a kid I used to have to build up momentum just to leap off the ground and soar. But Now I can just take off from a stationary position and provide my own momentum in my thoughts in speeds that would break records in the real world. Even switching views is something I like alot now. I don't always have to be in the first persons view. I can look at myself from the 3rd persons. Which allows me to take notice of the effects of things that are surronding me. This is what I've been trying to perfect mostly now. I keep running into the same problem. Once I switch up views The Me that Im watching at that time seems to become its own entity with its own motives and its hard to keep control. I also find it extrememly hard to keep up with him in flight. Things are moving so fast that everything looks like straight lines whenever he takes flight hes so much faster than I. Even though I can't seem to control him from 3rd persons I still can see through his eyes as first persons view and at the same time still look at him from an observation level from 3rd. I know it sounds crazy but this is just a fraction of what im dealing with seeker. Oh and yes Nikfz its possible to control entire enviorments even Nature. I do it all the time.

Ok shadow,

This time im going to state my opinion and do it the nice way.
It seems that you have quite the amount of control, as I read your stuff
Now I to have been able to have LDs when I was a kid but mine are so much diffirent from yours..

I never gave my self true control mabey a minor things but I someway always knew that control in the end would prove to be useless.
You on the other hand seem to take full control of the environment, shape the environment, create new environements, will everything you want and take control of people,or create people. But if you do all that you are once going to hit a wall my friend, control goes to a certain point and there it is, like I said you cannot be God.

If you let things come naturaly and try and discover your true self, your inner self and open yourself up completely to the other reality you can to a much deeper level. Yes control might be fun in your eyes but i could never live with facts such as:
- Everything here is my creation, it didnt come to stand on its own
- Everything here is going to fade away soon
- Nobody here has a free will of its own
- My powers are awesome but nobody is here to witness them

Then there is also the fact that simply having everything you want is not good for a soul, it stops your development as somebody has to go trough certain things before one can be enlighted, you cannot learn from ultimate control. One must learn to accept that nothing will ever go how one wants it to go, i said it before and I say it again..

"You never get what you want in the end, you get what you deserve"

I know you do not believe in 2 actual realities but im stating my opinion anyway. As long as you remain ultimate control you will be always stuck in your little part of that reality, while if you would give it up and open yourself you would be able to find out so much more knowledge nad experience. Spirits so exist, they come naturally, one does not will them to come or even expect them.. they come, when you are ready for them and open for them. Finding a new world that is not the near to perfect world you imagined, yes you open yourself to shit, but every world is full of shit, no world is perfect, perfect is non existant. We are not meaned to be perfect, we cannot develope in perfectance, only if we where enlighted we would be perfect, and even then im not sure.

I know you are not going to stray from the path you are walking in achieving ultimate control, aye, then I wish you luck my friend. Find your luck in that world then, I suppose it can be sastisfactory. But not in my eyes, and someday you will hit a wall, inevitably.
But really, its nice you have so much control, I gues 95% of this forum would have nothing rather then have it aswell.

Lucius this is very interesting I've read everything you put in here and I found it all very interesting I decided to make a response to let you know that I did acknowledge what you put here, but I have so much more to say and so little time to put it all down so Im leaving work and when i get home I will continue.

Shadow,

I envy you in your ability to control and LD. I am not a natural LDer and didn't have my first one until I was almost 30 years old.
I have a fair amount of control in my dreams and use it for entertainment and experimentation.

Originally posted by Seeker
Shadow, *

I envy you in your ability to control and LD. *I am not a natural LDer and didn't have my first one until I was almost 30 years old.
I have a fair amount of control in my dreams and use it for entertainment and experimentation.

Well that suks, think of all those years you just slept, wasting you life away. And its all to late, Almost feel sorry 4 u.


J/k

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Shadow, *

I envy you in your ability to control and LD. *I am not a natural LDer and didn't have my first one until I was almost 30 years old.
I have a fair amount of control in my dreams and use it for entertainment and experimentation.

Well that suks, think of all those years you just slept, wasting you life away. And its all to late, Almost feel sorry 4 u.


J/k[/b]

Hey, I figure I have 40 good years left, and maybe an additional 10 sucky years after that!

Unless... i dont get those muffins, beging a part of you is hard.

Thanks Seeker,

I really take alot of pride into LD it means a great deal to me. Im just happy I finally found a place where people have the same experiences as I. There's a great group of people here.

Lucius,

Im very interested in the reason why you don't want to use the control you have and experience your world on all the levels that you are capable of? Why have this power and not use it?( Just curious). Because I don't think it stops here at High lucidity. I know there is a Level beyond High Lucid I can just feel it. But I need to figure out how I can get there. I've been wondering about this for the past 5 yrs and I know that its possible like Ascending to the Next Level. I know with you being able to LD since a child you have the same feelings. How can this New plato be reached? Somewhere somehow the answer lies there. Lucius can you tell me your theories of these dual realities what are the two realities? I would like to know about this. Another thing, would my dreams be consider another form of reality but just on a different plane of exsistance? I look forward to your response. Thanks!

isn't that like...New Age? or something...um..not meaning to offend anyone...

oh yeah...welcome..Shadow..

Not sure if thats New Age? Hell Im not too sure of anything right now at 4:52A.M. (haha)

Thanks for Welcoming Me Paperdoll. See ya around!

Paper,
It is somewhat of a new age idea indeed, but new agers still see it diffirent and I always had the shit on them because it is sect like, i hate sects. Im a buddhist when it comes to religon and ancient tibetian monks worked alot trough this other reality aswell.

Shadow,

Its alot to just explain, and I dont just tell everything to just anybody, Im currently teaching somebody already and the point is im not even sure if this can be teached. If it has be something natural, its the same with seri, he never had ultimate control either, we jsut find ourselves in this matter of world we never "leveled up" or anything (sure we got wiser and stronger but the other reality has always been there)
If you really know badly pm me ill try and explain it basicly..when i have the time

were all just one big happy family!!! yay.

for what we do now, echoes into eternity[/b]

Lucius


Thats cool I appreaciate that alot. I don't wanna intrude by anyway so I will just leave it be. But thanks for your time its been extremely interesting. Oh and see if you can convince Paperdoll to change her Avatar back to the old one I like those big Green Eyes..haha

i agree, shadow...i liked that avatar.

Call it 'womens intuition', but I think I'm on to something here.
Temporaryism has been the 'Black Plague' and the 'Jesus' of our age.[/b]