For me, lucidity is just being aware. I know you can be fooled into it, but I feel there is a distinct different feel between the two. |
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I'm sure there are many of you out there that accept the definition of 'knowing that you are dreaming', though there are some (no doubt?) that have gone beyond simply 'knowing they are dreaming', especially those who have been experimenting/experiencing longer. |
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You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.
For me, lucidity is just being aware. I know you can be fooled into it, but I feel there is a distinct different feel between the two. |
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Bollocks.
To me, being Lucid, is when I'm absolutely certain that I'm in a dream. And my decisions are made on the basis that I am not in the real world, and can do what I want. |
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Last edited by Caradon; 03-19-2009 at 02:05 AM.
The term 'lucid dreaming' has a definition. It means, having a dream, and while in the dream, consciously knowing that you are really asleep, and that everything around you is a dream. Knowing that you are dreaming. That's what lucid dreaming means. Control and immersion in the dream itself are irrelevant, as long as you realize that what you are experiencing is a dream, and that your physical body is asleep. |
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Last edited by Shift; 03-19-2009 at 05:12 AM.
But how many people really lucid dream then? And is it much grander to be dream-conscious as opposed to self-conscious? |
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You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.
Neither, especially since if anything that is just a matter of opinion and a whole different topic. It just means that if a person goes to sleep, has a dream, and knows that they are dreaming, they are lucid dreaming. Overall self awareness and reflection, besides that required in being able to recognize that the stuff around you is a dream, doesn't factor. |
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Lucid dreaming, for practical purposes, is knowing that you are dreaming, while dreaming. It feels as if you have access to something closer to your waking self (with more logic and memory). |
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Abraxas
Originally Posted by OldSparta
I've had dreams where I (myself in the dream) know I'm dreaming, but I (my conscious self) don't know I'm dreaming. |
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Yeah, I didn't much like the cookie cutter definition either. It's much too clunky to pick up on the subtle aspects that are different from dream to dream. This is why I made my levels of lucidity tech to try and classify semi-lucidity. (Which is what I think you're describing above). |
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Anyway, LD feels like WL for me, just that I know the things around me are part of a dream, while in WL I know these are something else. |
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"Fishing baskets are employed to catch fish; but when the fish are got, the men forget the baskets; snares are employed to catch hares; but when the hares are got, men forget the snares. Words are employed to convey ideas; but when the ideas are grasped, men forget the words." |
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Well, I also have many dreams in which some part of me is aware that I'm dreaming. But the full comprehension doesn't come. It feels almost like a natural type of low level Lucidity. I think, it comes from being Lucid often, and doing a lot of awareness exercises while awake. |
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Awareness of dreaming does not render such dreams as lucid; many of these dreams involve incessant action where one's only control is observation and thereby, poor attentional focus. Lucid dreaming, conversely, is the ability to choose inaction, to ponder, and to direct attention acutely. |
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"I'd rather have a mind opened by wonder rather than closed by belief." - Gerry Spence, "Postponement fertilizes fear; action cures fear." - Schwartz
WILD: 29
Supposed OBE: 6 (29th Jan, 3 on 10th August, 2 on 5th November)
DILD: innumerous
When I was defining awareness previously I was defining it as the ability to understand the situation and not just acknowledge that it is a dream, and thus you could make that choice to do nothing. I don't think control is necessary, just intention. I could intend to do nothing but not be able to due to the events in the dream. However, if you want to talk about levels of lucidity, then there should be one where you can intend and realize that intention regardless of the situation in the dream. |
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Last edited by John11; 03-21-2009 at 03:21 AM.
Lucid dreaming is simply knowing you're dreaming. It's pretty stupid how complicated people make it seem. |
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I think some people are saying that if that's all there is to lucid dreaming, then we need more definitions, or we need to qualify that definition a bit. |
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There's a certain point I'm at where I continue to have these dreams with the same 'lucidity', but have stopped differentiating between real/unreal dream/waking when in the present moment. (It's all real/happening, no?) |
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You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.
I look at it this way. |
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Being cannot change
Life is a constant reaction
I am a human becoming
Lucid dreaming: Knowing that you are dreaming while you are dreaming. Nothing to do with interaction in the dream, control, whatever. As long as you know it's a dream, it's a lucid dream. If you think it's more or less than a dream, then you are not lucid dreaming. It means recognizing that what you are seeing is a dream. No more, no less. |
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The true definition of lucid dreaming, I grudgingly concede, is "knowing that you're dreaming" (this is evident in the meaning of the word 'lucid', which is "clear"). However, I believe it's a very stock definition that does no justice to the wide array of dream experiences that can be considered "lucid". |
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Final Fantasy VI Rules!
Total LDs: 10 | WILDs: 4 | DILDs: 5 | DEILDs: 2
"Take atheism, for example. Not a religion? Their pseudo-dogmatic will to convert others to their system of beliefs is eerily reminiscent of the very behavior they criticize in the religious."
I think that being lucid and just knowing that you're dreaming are two different things... |
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What if I told you that I am dreaming right now?
That your whole life is a lie?
That the laws of physics as you know them are incorrect?
Furthermore, what would you do if I told you I'm going to wake up as soon as you finish reading my signature?
yeah I see a lot of debate over the level of control/consciousness and how much is enough to be considered a lucid. However there is one sure way to tell. |
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TAKE DV members advice with caution! some have had zero or 1-2 LD's yet act like gurus
TOTAL LD's (almost all DILD/MILD) =160!!
new goals: have more LD's than Shift[X]
10-15min LD [ X] Article: A day in the life of an LD-er
the "Mind V.S. Body" Induction technique
Everyman 2 LD's/ sleep schedule progress
there's a huge difference between waking up and remembering a dream, and knowing you're in one a the time. obviously you won't be conscious to know that you were in the dream until you wake up and can consciously understand what just happened. lol You get the idea. |
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