Lucid RPG [The Coolest Idea Ever]

I just had an idea. Wouldn´t it be cool if you could "play" an RPG using lucid dreaming?

You could do it like this:
First, draw a map, like an iland. Then make details to it, like draw villages, towns and cities, dungeons, roads, lakes, mountains etc. Make sure you remember everything about that map, make it slowly, and consentrate. Then just pick a place where you would like to start your adventure from, something like a prison. The next time you LD, try to teleport to this place. Now, you need a lot of dream control, but the next step is to stabilize this world. First of all, stabilize the dream itself. Then set "the rules"...
Make sure that the physics are right, so that everything acts just like IRL. Then, make yourself powerless. Don´t use any dream control. You only have your weak dream body, that you can physically use to affect things.
After everything is realistic and stable, you can begin your adventure.

Now, remember this: When you begin, you may have something like prison clothes, or maybe just old clothes and a knife or something. In order for you to get better, you´ll have to gather money to buy better gear. You get money by doing quests and selling loot to merchants. You can also train yourself to be a better fighter etc.

Try not to end your LD in this world just by waking up. Go to sleep in a bed or something when you feel you might be waking up.

When you wake up, you´ll write down any new items you have, any increased skills, your money, your quest status and your location, your rank in a guild, and you write down if someone is trying to kill you..

If you die, you can restart the whole RPG or find a less rough solution.

AND IT GETS BETTER:
Note: I do not believe in shared dreaming.
You and maybe one or even more people could adventure in the same world. This is tricky, because ofc you won´t actually be together. So you´ll have to find a way around that. Here is an idea on how to do that:
First you try to LD. In your dream you have your friend as your companion. When you wake up, you´ll tell your friend his status, like where he was when you last saw him etc. Then your friend LDs and does the same thing to you.
This is just a simple idea on how to do that.

Maybe even entire communities could do this, like dreamviews. This is again harder, but just to give you the idea:
We could create two factions. Each could do special missions in this world (there would be a world map somewhere so everyone knows the world). Whenever a member of a faction succeeds in a mission, he gains points to his faction. And these points make your faction stronger... for example we could decide that there are 8 major cities. The more points a faction has compared to the other, the more cities it has. And cities have shops etc..



Now, remember, that was just a rough explanation of what I mean, just to give you the idea of what I mean. I think that the "guide" I just made ain´t nearly perfect. It just gives the idea of what I mean.

So what do you thing about this?

I think it's a cool idea, but I've seen at least two other threads on this in the past. I'm pretty sure I even attempted it once, though it never really got very far. XD

http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=78541

Same reaction.

I totally never thought of this before.
/sarcasm

This wouldn't work that well unless you had consistent lucid dreams

Yeah, I actually thought of that before. But then I realized, the reason I started lucid dreaming is because it's much more fun than RPGs. Why give up my lucid powers when I can fly on a unicorn and joust with Godzilla?

or do this --> :dancingcow: :muffin: :aphiusiscrazy: :buns: :banana:

Dreams are not stable enough. The place won't stay exactly like you drew it. Besides, the knife you had might randomly change into a banana and if someone tries to kill you, let me just tell you that there's no other way to get rid of them than using techniques that only lucid dreamers know ;)

But I think it be cool if we could do something similar to this... Maybe just a story without an actual stable environment, status, inventory...

This seems to contradict the theory of lucid dreaming. The concept applies rules of sorts to a conscious dream, which doesnt make sense when you control and break those rules.

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Originally Posted by Secret Neo

This seems to contradict the theory of lucid dreaming. The concept applies rules of sorts to a conscious dream, which doesnt make sense when you control and break those rules.

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Actually, it all comes to show that we like having limits since it allows us to have goals.

Okay okay I didn´t know this had been though before.

But it still is a cool idea. And I think it´s pretty easy to do. As long as you want it, you can make stable rules.

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Originally Posted by Ghost94

Okay okay I didn´t know this had been though before.

But it still is a cool idea. And I think it´s pretty easy to do. As long as you want it, you can make stable rules.

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I don't know if its possible. I've read that using to much aggressive control decreases the dream's quality. Plus, as I said, you're knife will probably transform into something else and you'll have to constantly change it back. Plus places might not always stay the same even though I think that might be possible since you expect them to be as you know them. I normally can go in places that are the same as ones I've already went. But I'm sure there will be lots of instability in the happenings. Just saying that you can't expect everything to stay under strict rules of physics and stuff.

Maybe we should plan something.

Or maybe we should not exactly make a map, what about just creating your starting point and visit from there. Than when you wake up, you can draw the places you visited and make a map. That be one of the goals of the game. Visit your surrunding and make a big map of it, find new places.

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Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

I don't know if its possible. I've read that using to much aggressive control decreases the dream's quality. Plus, as I said, you're knife will probably transform into something else and you'll have to constantly change it back. Plus places might not always stay the same even though I think that might be possible since you expect them to be as you know them. I normally can go in places that are the same as ones I've already went. But I'm sure there will be lots of instability in the happenings. Just saying that you can't expect everything to stay under strict rules of physics and stuff.

Maybe we should plan something.

Or maybe we should not exactly make a map, what about just creating your starting point and visit from there. Than when you wake up, you can draw the places you visited and make a map. That be one of the goals of the game. Visit your surrunding and make a big map of it, find new places.

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http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=46571

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Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=46571

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Then this answers the problem.
I think that Ghost94 and anyone that want to try it out should read that to help them with it.

Do you guys want to do it individually or we could make up something with this thread or other ones...

It's always good to keep in mind that just because billybob wrote something doesn't mean it's a fact or always true.

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Originally Posted by Shift

It's always good to keep in mind that just because billybob wrote something doesn't mean it's a fact or always true.

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I guess, but it still might work, right?

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Originally Posted by Shift

It's always good to keep in mind that just because billybob wrote something doesn't mean it's a fact or always true.

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True, but it was somewhat related to this thread.

I know, I'm just reminding everyone to take it with a grain of salt. There's little truth with most of the stuff written on lucid dreaming. I can usually force my dream control with no consequences. Just because billybob wrote that doesn't make it so. (By the way, I'm referring to the forcing-control deal, I think we might be talking about 2 separate things :tongue:)

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Originally Posted by Shift

I know, I'm just reminding everyone to take it with a grain of salt. There's little truth with most of the stuff written on lucid dreaming. I can usually force my dream control with no consequences. Just because billybob wrote that doesn't make it so. (By the way, I'm referring to the forcing-control deal, I think we might be talking about 2 separate things :tongue:)

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Yeah, we are. I disagree with the forcing control = instability thing as well, I posted it for the "different universes" thing.

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Originally Posted by Shift

I know, I'm just reminding everyone to take it with a grain of salt. There's little truth with most of the stuff written on lucid dreaming. I can usually force my dream control with no consequences. Just because billybob wrote that doesn't make it so. (By the way, I'm referring to the forcing-control deal, I think we might be talking about 2 separate things :tongue:)

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That was my fault. lol! I never actually used aggressive control as he calls it so I don't know how it actually feels and I assumed it was true. I'll try to be less naive next time. :)

But seriously, is the idea of the RPG possible? If yes we should try it, on this thread at least.

I'd say it's certainly possible. It's probably even easier if you start out in a location that people have been to before. Like a certain airport, or park, or monument, or something like that. Or a common thing, like inside of an airplane.

That's a good one. Let's start in an airplane... I think that its most likely to crash and since your in a dream your most likely to survive. That could be cool begining to a storyline!

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Originally Posted by Shift

I'd say it's certainly possible. It's probably even easier if you start out in a location that people have been to before. Like a certain airport, or park, or monument, or something like that. Or a common thing, like inside of an airplane.

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I think we should be able to start anywhere, but the portal to the world should be a mirror. It's pretty Cliche, and easy to conjur up.

So, so far we have a RPG world where you're pretty much the same as IRL, but of course you can get stronger. So anyone want to develop this world more? Maps? Ideas?

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Originally Posted by Dream scaper

I think we should be able to start anywhere, but the portal to the world should be a mirror. It's pretty Cliche, and easy to conjur up.

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I don't think there's any importance about which portal we use. I think the lucid dreamer that is doing it should use its favorite way. I prefer using doors since I find it easier to find a door than a mirror but I want to use a mirror one night.

Yes, we can start anywhere so maybe we should make some sort of storyline though. Lets all answers these questions and then make a vote:

1)Time? (modern, long time ago, future)
2)General Location (describe it)
3) Specific location of starting point (describe it)
4) Who would the player be (general)
5) What's happening?
6) What do you know?

Is there anything else we should answer?

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Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

So, so far we have a RPG world where you're pretty much the same as IRL, but of course you can get stronger. So anyone want to develop this world more? Maps? Ideas?

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I don't think we should have actual maps. I think we should have names of places and brief descriptions, and our brains can fill in the rest. Ofcourse we'll need quests to do, and maybe we could make up some enemies we can face.

Also, what kind of RPG are we talking about? Are we talking The Elder Scrolls games, with goblins, swords and other fantasy stuff, or are we talking Fallout 3, which is set in a post-apocolyptic world, with supermutants, robots, mutated animals such as bears and giant scorpians?

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Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

I don't think there's any importance about which portal we use. I think the lucid dreamer that is doing it should use its favorite way. I prefer using doors since I find it easier to find a door than a mirror but I want to use a mirror one night.

Yes, we can start anywhere so maybe we should make some sort of storyline though. Lets all answers these questions and then make a vote:

1)Time? (modern, long time ago, future)
2)General Location (describe it)
3) Specific location of starting point (describe it)
4) Who would the player be (general)
5) What's happening?
6) What do you know?

Is there anything else we should answer?

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1) Time, I'm thinking long time ago. Everyone has modern dreams and we live in a modern world. Future, eh. I'm not that interested in the future in terms of RPGs.
*skipping 2 and 3 because I'm unoriginal*
4) The person playing, unless they want to take up another role. Also, I was wondering, since magic seems to be prevalent in most RPGs I've played, what do you guys think? I'm all for it as long as it's not overpowered.
*skipping 5 and 6 also because im unoriginal*

EDIT: Yes, I'm thinking along Elder Scrolls lines, being that they're some of the best RPGs I've played.

Also, if this were to be a community thing, a set map would be best since otherwise people can have the same places be completely different.

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Originally Posted by Dream scaper

I don't think we should have actual maps. I think we should have names of places and brief descriptions, and our brains can fill in the rest. Ofcourse we'll need quests to do, and maybe we could make up some enemies we can face.

Also, what kind of RPG are we talking about? Are we talking The Elder Scrolls games, with goblins, swords and other fantasy stuff, or are we talking Fallout 3, which is set in a post-apocolyptic world, with supermutants, robots, mutated animals such as bears and giant scorpians?

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Yes, I also think we should have just a general idea and let our mind fill it in. Once we visit these places, we could describe them more detail-like and tell everyone.

Wouldn't an apocalyps be to much of a unlogical mess in which you couldn't tell if you actually killed your enemy or not?

Actually, when I say "map" I mean a map like
http://www.motherplanet.com/images/country/us.jpg

And our minds can fill in the details (but the bigger details become the basis of the community RPG)

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Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

1) Time, I'm thinking long time ago. Everyone has modern dreams and we live in a modern world. Future, eh. I'm not that interested in the future in terms of RPGs.
*skipping 2 and 3 because I'm unoriginal*
4) The person playing, unless they want to take up another role. Also, I was wondering, since magic seems to be prevalent in most RPGs I've played, what do you guys think? I'm all for it as long as it's not overpowered.
*skipping 5 and 6 also because im unoriginal*

EDIT: Yes, I'm thinking along Elder Scrolls lines, being that they're some of the best RPGs I've played.

Also, if this were to be a community thing, a set map would be best since otherwise people can have the same places be completely different.

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I would also prefer it being the past. I love story lines that are from Middle Age times...

I think the person could have some magical power... Like the power to breath underwater and maybe if you find a magic spell book... I can imagine that happening.

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ABOUT THE MAP

So we'd just have a map of the location of the towns, forests, mountains rivers?

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Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

Yes, I also think we should have just a general idea and let our mind fill it in. Once we visit these places, we could describe them more detail-like and tell everyone.

Wouldn't an apocalyps be to much of a unlogical mess in which you couldn't tell if you actually killed your enemy or not?

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Have you played fallout 3 or any of the fallout games? They're set after a nuclear was between China and the USA, and the player always starts in a place called a Vault (created by vault tech). If you want more info you could go onto the Fallout wiki, and it should tell you what the games about.

Maybe we could have it kind of the like the monthly tasks; (although we could do it for two-weeks instead of a month).

We should come up with a setting and a general description (or map) for the setting, and we could have a specific starting point and a set of objectives to achieve in each part of the LDRPG. If we achieve it, we should have to describe what happened, maybe draw some pictures of the setting (or describe it), and describe what happened, and if we achieved the objectives. Each quest could lead onto another set of objectives etc.

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Originally Posted by Dream scaper

Have you played fallout 3 or any of the fallout games? They're set after a nuclear was between China and the USA, and the player always starts in a place called a Vault (created by vault tech). If you want more info you could go onto the Fallout wiki, and it should tell you what the games about.

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I know but wouldn't the dream follow the same continuous storyline. YOu get out of the Vault (whatever it is), kill zombies, go back to the vault, come back out, kill more zombies, kill more zombies, go back to the vault.

I'm sure its pretty cool killing a zombie but I'd get bored doing it. I think that the other type of RPG be better since it has lots more diversity. You never know which kind of person you'll meet and besides, these one too can include the need to kill a zombie or anything else between a small gnome to a gigantic dragon.

pojmaster, for the map, do we need to do one or could we just give a descripton of in which sort of place we are and then start. Once we start, we visit the place and draw a map and show it to everyone else. Everyone can add to the map. OR do you want to start with a map of the towns, mountains, bodies of water, forests, etc...?

The original idea sounds an awful lot like Elder Scrolls: Oblivion.

Anyways, reading through this thread has gave me a good idea for myself.
I like the idea of hunting for animals and monsters.
Maybe my own lucid RPG is to get dumped into a forest where these monsters live and I have to catch them.
When I wake up I will draw what I killed as a monument.

:banana:

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Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

I know but wouldn't the dream follow the same continuous storyline. YOu get out of the Vault (whatever it is), kill zombies, go back to the vault, come back out, kill more zombies, kill more zombies, go back to the vault.

I'm sure its pretty cool killing a zombie but I'd get bored doing it. I think that the other type of RPG be better since it has lots more diversity. You never know which kind of person you'll meet and besides, these one too can include the need to kill a zombie or anything else between a small gnome to a gigantic dragon.

pojmaster, for the map, do we need to do one or could we just give a descripton of in which sort of place we are and then start. Once we start, we visit the place and draw a map and show it to everyone else. Everyone can add to the map. OR do you want to start with a map of the towns, mountains, bodies of water, forests, etc...?

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Sorry. My last post wasn't reffering to my idea of an RPG set in a Fallout-esque universe. It was just about the idea of an RPG in general.

Although, Fallout isn't just come out of vault, kill zombie. Come out of vault, kill zombie. Come out of vault, kill zombie. Do you even know what it's about. To be honest, I get a bit bored of all of these crappy fantasy RPGs, with the same repetetive crap ie. goblins, spells, swords etc. But it seems I am out-voted.

I suppose the best way to come up with a world for a dream-RPG would be to let one's dreaming mind generate it. So, when I get the time, I'll summon a portal to a location miles above the world (enough to get a large enough view for a satellite map). It would be pretty fun to start exploring and learn what kind of people live there, what's happening, etc.

So pretty much we don't know anything except the general kind of world it would be.

EDIT: Hey, might as well just make a portal to a random place in the world. They could have maps. Dunno how I'd make enough money to buy one though (without "cheating").

I can imagine one member hears about a war that's going on in the world, but doesn't pay much attention to it, then posts the entire dream in this thread (or another thread about this if it ever comes to that), then another member goes into a dream and asks a DC about it, who then explains about it in more detail.

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Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

I suppose the best way to come up with a world for a dream-RPG would be to let one's dreaming mind generate it. So, when I get the time, I'll summon a portal to a location miles above the world (enough to get a large enough view for a satellite map). It would be pretty fun to start exploring and learn what kind of people live there, what's happening, etc.

So pretty much we don't know anything except the general kind of world it would be.

EDIT: Hey, might as well just make a portal to a random place in the world. They could have maps. Dunno how I'd make enough money to buy one though (without "cheating").

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I thought the idea was that the world was supposed to be universal to everyone involved. Obviously, it won't be the same for all of us, but I thought the idea was to come up with a general idea for us to follow, and then our own individual imaginations can fill in the gaps.

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Originally Posted by Dream scaper

I thought the idea was that the world was supposed to be universal to everyone involved. Obviously, it won't be the same for all of us, but I thought the idea was to come up with a general idea for us to follow, and then our own individual imaginations can fill in the gaps.

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That's sort of what it is, but it would be more of a community thing if what was true/revealed in one person's dream could affect another's.

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Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

That's sort of what it is, but it would be more of a community thing if what was true/revealed in one person's dream could affect another's.

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Oh ok.

So are we going to decide or makeup a setting?

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Originally Posted by Dream scaper

Oh ok.

So are we going to decide or makeup a setting?

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I was thinking along the lines of, we try to explore it in our dreams, then make a combination of everyone's ideas

Either way, this thing is going to need a lot more consideration/development before we can do anything

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Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

I was thinking along the lines of, we try to explore it in our dreams, then make a combination of everyone's ideas

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Oh!. Now I get it. Sorry, i'm a bit slow.

So in our next Lucid dream we should all (individually, obviously) do something like go through a mirror into a different universe, and then we should report back here and describe our ideas. Then we can make a kind of combination of everyones ideas.

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Originally Posted by Dream scaper

Oh!. Now I get it. Sorry, i'm a bit slow.

So in our next Lucid dream we should all (individually, obviously) do something like go through a mirror into a different universe, and then we should report back here and describe our ideas. Then we can make a kind of combination of everyones ideas.

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I suppose that would be the plan for now.

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Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

I suppose that would be the plan for now.

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Although, shouldn't we all have a general idea? We don't want to all come up with completely different ideas.

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Originally Posted by Dream scaper

Although, shouldn't we all have a general idea? We don't want to all come up with completely different ideas.

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We do, a medieval type world where dreamers have limitations that would exist in such a world. Just don't do TOO much in a first dream. Learn who exists and what the world is like. It's not like it'll be upside down or something :P

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Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

We do, a medieval type world where dreamers have limitations that would exist in such a world. Just don't do TOO much in a first dream. Learn who exists and what the world is like. It's not like it'll be upside down or something :P

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Okay then. I'll report back to this thread as soon as i've done enough exploring. CYA.

Sure that sounds good.

Well, we were thinking of Middle Age. I personnaly normally end up in Middle Age when i lucid so it'd be easy...

What about you?

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Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

Sure that sounds good.

Well, we were thinking of Middle Age. I personnaly normally end up in Middle Age when i lucid so it'd be easy...

What about you?

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Well I've been outvoted, so I'll go for middles ages aswell.

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Originally Posted by Dream scaper

Well I've been outvoted, so I'll go for middles ages aswell.

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Did you ever played Assassin Creed? The main character goes from the future to the past. We could have something like that, that way everyone would be happy... or is to complicated?

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Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

Did you ever played Assassin Creed? The main character goes from the future to the past. We could have something like that, that way everyone would be happy... or is to complicated?

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Yeah, I've played Assassins creed, and it's nothing like fallout. Although I really don't mind doing the Medieval RPG idea. I'm sure it'll be alot more fun in an LD, than it is in an actual RPG game.

Over the years I've had many normal dreams in which I was in a game I played IRL. Mostly though, they were in 3D when the actual games were 2D, along with other minor changes. Throughout the dream they held together pretty well.

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Originally Posted by Dream scaper

Yeah, I've played Assassins creed, and it's nothing like fallout. Although I really don't mind doing the Medieval RPG idea. I'm sure it'll be alot more fun in an LD, than it is in an actual RPG game.

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No, I know there different even though I don't know much of Fallout. I'm just saying we could go from past to future or whenever fallout happened.

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Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

Over the years I've had many normal dreams in which I was in a game I played IRL. Mostly though, they were in 3D when the actual games were 2D, along with other minor changes. Throughout the dream they held together pretty well.

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Same thing happenned to me and personnally the games are way better in 3D than 2D, especially the fact that you can smell, thouch and taste!