Thread: 3 Reasons You Cannot Visualize; An Old Veteran's Opinion

Im an average visualiser.
I see things no-where near as clear as real life, but with time and thought i can start to assemble something half decent.
It is never the same quality as real life (other than when dreaming)
it's more like im seeing the image through the filter of my eyelids, the eyelids dont vanish, they just stop being quite so opaque.

The key to it for me, is to not try to imagine the image on the dark space between your eyelid and eyeball (which seems to be the default for me)
but to imagine where things would be if your eyes were open.
So you're looking out into the space beyond your eyelids.

Also just staring out at the room, then working with the after image to try and recreate what i've just seen tends to work.

Not sure if these random ideas will help, but it's basically what I do.
The key for me really is not having the focus of your eyes shrink down as if you are looking at a screen on the inside of your eyelids. But to let your eyes focus as if they are looking into the distance behind them. It seems to flip a mental switch and make the process easier.

I know exactly what you mean about focusing a bit beyond in order to see visualizations 'in the real world', kind of where they'd belong if there was something there. Yes, this is exactly what I do when I visualize.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

The key to it for me, is to not try to imagine the image on the dark space between your eyelid and eyeball (which seems to be the default for me)
but to imagine where things would be if your eyes were open.
So you're looking out into the space beyond your eyelids.

Originally Posted by Shift

I know exactly what you mean about focusing a bit beyond in order to see visualizations 'in the real world', kind of where they'd belong if there was something there. Yes, this is exactly what I do when I visualize.

Agreed, excellent tip.

Originally Posted by Shift

I know exactly what you mean about focusing a bit beyond in order to see visualizations 'in the real world', kind of where they'd belong if there was something there. Yes, this is exactly what I do when I visualize.

hmm, I've just started this visualization thing but is seems to help immensely with lucids even though currently I am not that good at "seeing" stuff. Yeah, I noticed that just looking at the blackness in front of your eyes and trying to conjure up something there is not the way to go- though I wouldn't say I look to the distance, I think I get the best results when I look inwards, so to speak- yeah the third eye thing. And NO, it's not "new age" it's very oooold age and existed for thousands of years.

hmm ive only had about 2 lucid dreams the first i had gone through four different dreams the last was lucid and i didnt visualize at all. i tested my lucidity by turning my dining room table into a chair. i literally watched it slowly morph into a chair.

Hey, its good to see you around. I thought you were gone for good. I really miss talking to you on msn. I suppose you know that I'm continuously exploring my understanding of visualization even till this very day.

I think its more subjective to me though, and hard to fully grasp/may easily be misunderstood. I'm more into how my brain understands the images, then coming up with methods or techniques.

If I try to explain my thoughts though it always comes out sounding very complex, and its so easy to overlook it. Because we have no English words to understand these simple concepts I want to explain. The ones I can use are not very specific at all and would serve to confuse anyone. Such as emotion, concept, feeling. Words that can mean so many things to so many people would be words I'd use to explain it. Though I always promised to myself if I became really good at V-WILD I'd write a tutorial about it using as many similes, and analogies as I can.

I also more then ever understand that you shouldn't be thinking about how your doing it well your visualizing. I tend to just let that specific scene come alive and fill my whole thought field.

Also you used to ask me if I truly could see the image or if I just imagined it, and I still say the lines between yes and no are blurred and transferable. At night I have seen an image go back and forth between these two things one level intermediate at a time. This is not all the time though, the vast majority of the time it is in my imagination only at night or in the morning has it gotten close to visible.