Thread: Physical effects caused by a lucid dream

I've been wondering as to whether a lucid dream could alter underlying conscious mechanisms, such as emotion, and possibly occluding negative emotion from transpiring after a lucid dream. I've also read upon a few experiences where someone has been shot in a lucid dream, awakens and notices a persisting rash, scratch and/or sharp pain in the area where they've been shot.

Furthermore, I'm also interested in user's experiences of time dilation; the compression of time, causing a dream to last for hours or days when their physical anatomy had only experienced an hour or several minutes of sleep. Likewise, I'm also interested in time travel in a lucid dream (although, I understand literal time travel cannot occur in a lucid dream but pseudo time travel would still be cool nonetheless).

I guess this could be a post-your physical effects caused by a lucid dream thread.

From an older post of mine:

A few days ago, while helping my dad siphon some fuel from my mom's car for our lawnmower, I got sprayed with some sort of pellet-like solid. We stuck one end of the tube into an air compressor, since it was clogged, and something shotgunned out of the other end. I was fine; none had (seemed) to pierce the skin, but I noticed about 3 little bumps pop up on my leg. They itched a little bit, but other than that they were fine. They didn't change over the July 4th weekend. However, last night I had a very odd dream. Though I can't remember the rest of it, of any other dreams I had that night, I recall a certain part of the dream in which I was terrified. It was very vivid in sight, but I really couldn't hear or smell anything, nor was there any sort of background. I freaked out as I saw about eight ticks latch on to the right side of my leg- the side that had been sprayed. It was interesting, because they were different sized. When I woke up, everything started normally. I poured myself some cereal and jumped in the shower. In the shower, however, my leg started to itch, so I started scratching it. Soon enough, my entire leg was paining me. I looked down and was stunned. The right side of my leg was covered in eight huge, red, raised bumps, in almost exactly the same places that the ticks had latched on. Throughout the day I scratched them to the point of bleeding. So, I need your opinion; do you think the bumps were influenced by the siphon incident? And do you think the dream was caused by these bumps developing, or did the dream cause the bumps to swell?

Though I'm rather sure this was only my mind's interpretation of the bumps forming overnight, I suppose it's possible the dream caused them.

Originally Posted by Royalpeach

From an older post of mine:

A few days ago, while helping my dad siphon some fuel from my mom's car for our lawnmower, I got sprayed with some sort of pellet-like solid. We stuck one end of the tube into an air compressor, since it was clogged, and something shotgunned out of the other end. I was fine; none had (seemed) to pierce the skin, but I noticed about 3 little bumps pop up on my leg. They itched a little bit, but other than that they were fine. They didn't change over the July 4th weekend. However, last night I had a very odd dream. Though I can't remember the rest of it, of any other dreams I had that night, I recall a certain part of the dream in which I was terrified. It was very vivid in sight, but I really couldn't hear or smell anything, nor was there any sort of background. I freaked out as I saw about eight ticks latch on to the right side of my leg- the side that had been sprayed. It was interesting, because they were different sized. When I woke up, everything started normally. I poured myself some cereal and jumped in the shower. In the shower, however, my leg started to itch, so I started scratching it. Soon enough, my entire leg was paining me. I looked down and was stunned. The right side of my leg was covered in eight huge, red, raised bumps, in almost exactly the same places that the ticks had latched on. Throughout the day I scratched them to the point of bleeding. So, I need your opinion; do you think the bumps were influenced by the siphon incident? And do you think the dream was caused by these bumps developing, or did the dream cause the bumps to swell?

Though I'm rather sure this was only my mind's interpretation of the bumps forming overnight, I suppose it's possible the dream caused them.

Even if that wasn't influenced by your unconscious mind, it was a pretty accurate assumption for it to be a guess; perhaps it has a better interpretation of nerve signals than the conscious mind.

To me dreams can't seem long if it's lucid...

But my lucids are normally +30 min...

I feel the time like real time....

So i can think what's time passed

Originally Posted by blue_space87

I've been wondering as to whether a lucid dream could alter underlying conscious mechanisms, such as emotion, and possibly occluding negative emotion from transpiring after a lucid dream. I've also read upon a few experiences where someone has been shot in a lucid dream, awakens and notices a persisting rash, scratch and/or sharp pain in the area where they've been shot.

Furthermore, I'm also interested in user's experiences of time dilation; the compression of time, causing a dream to last for hours or days when their physical anatomy had only experienced an hour or several minutes of sleep. Likewise, I'm also interested in time travel in a lucid dream (although, I understand literal time travel cannot occur in a lucid dream but pseudo time travel would still be cool nonetheless).

I guess this could be a post-your physical effects caused by a lucid dream thread.

Yes it can emotionally and mentally because lucid dreaming actually alters normal perception of reality into dream awareness. But physical effects it's just BS except having darker rings around the eyes due to disrupted sleep cycles as a side effect.

IMJ

When I relate to physical effects, I'm associating to ones similar to those caused by a placebo effect. Perhaps the strengthening/weakening of the body's immune system, secretion of various hormones, accelerated tissue regeneration and an the alteration of memory; a possibly enhancement or integration of eidetic memory; and the alteration of emotional response. From my experience, dreaming can change the behaviour of my memory, and even to the point where certain memories are almost photographic. Other changes are intuitive (e.g. different perspectives of life, views of society and personal attributes), and I suppose one major change is growth (growth enzymes can be released by parts of the brain stem during sleep) and hormone release. I'm wondering if anyone has managed to exert influence over the underlying mental structures responsible for creating these effects (we could suppose that any form of electrochemical activity gives rise to mentality or a mind (albeit non-conscious)).

Originally Posted by blue_space87

I've been wondering as to whether a lucid dream could alter underlying conscious mechanisms, such as emotion, and possibly occluding negative emotion from transpiring after a lucid dream.

It's quite possible. It is believed that the reason we have nightmares is to give us experience for real life situations.

So that leads to the theory that, if throughout your entire life, you never had dream where something chases you, then when it actually happened you would be unprepared, panicing and randomly flailing your arms while running in little circles untill you got stabbed and died.

I'm sure nothing this extreme will come from LDing, but I'm almost positive that changing the way your dreams work will have slight psychological effects. Good or bad, I do not know.

I've also read upon a few experiences where someone has been shot in a lucid dream, awakens and notices a persisting rash, scratch and/or sharp pain in the area where they've been shot.

You can still receive sensory input while dreaming. If someone shines a light at your eye, you might perceive it as bright car headlights or dazzling fireworks. This would just be the same process, but with pain. Lucidity is not a factor in this.

Furthermore, I'm also interested in user's experiences of time dilation; the compression of time, causing a dream to last for hours or days when their physical anatomy had only experienced an hour or several minutes of sleep.

A while back I started a thread on this subject that got to be many pages long. After reading everyone's arguments and evidence, I have concluded that time dialation on a large scale (Though a few minutes is understandable) is pretty much impossible. I'll go fetch the link.

Here you go. Study up.

Originally Posted by Mini Man56

It's quite possible. It is believed that the reason we have nightmares is to give us experience for real life situations.

So that leads to the theory that, if throughout your entire life, you never had dream where something chases you, then when it actually happened you would be unprepared, panicing and randomly flailing your arms while running in little circles untill you got stabbed and died.

I'm sure nothing this extreme will come from LDing, but I'm almost positive that changing the way your dreams work will have slight psychological effects. Good or bad, I do not know.

It's most likely that dreaming does prepare us for the environment, but I also believe it's also a clean up - a maintenance for dealing with things that are beyond the scope of the conscious mind. Problems that are too difficult for the waking mind, physical changes and emotion may reach beyond its scope where the dreaming mind may act as an interface for control mechanisms; a dreaming mind may also use more resources, comprised with a greater access and control over memory (since our conscious mind is bound to the external environment, an unconscious can self-reference memory without an input delay; it can access memory instantly without the need for external influence).

Originally Posted by Mini Man56

You can still receive sensory input while dreaming. If someone shines a light at your eye, you might perceive it as bright car headlights or dazzling fireworks. This would just be the same process, but with pain. Lucidity is not a factor in this.

I agree that our unconscious mind tends to exaggerate external influences, even when received during its presence.

Originally Posted by Mini Man56

A while back I started a thread on this subject that got to be many pages long. After reading everyone's arguments and evidence, I have concluded that time dialation on a large scale (Though a few minutes is understandable) is pretty much impossible. I'll go fetch the link.

Here you go. Study up.

Time dilation should be possible only through dreaming where self-awareness is propagated through internal senses. The speed at which these senses produce self-awareness within a dream environment should also alter the experience of time. So, if time was processed at an absolute of 1 in coherence with physical time, dream time would be equivalent to real time. However, if time was processed at a greater value, such as 2, more time would be experienced throughout a dream. I'll have a read of that thread

It's all in your head. There like mental effects that are perceived to be physical, like how some people who have lost limbs still feel pain in said limbs that they don't have.

Personally, I think the rashes or bruises or whatever cause the dream, not the other way around. It usually takes time for injuries to manifest, anyway; a bruise doesn't form immediately, and neither does a rash.