Thread: Lucid dreams vs. psychedelic trips

Which one do you think is more exciting, a lucid dream or a psychedelic trip, and why? Can be any kind of drug trip, ex: magic mushroom, LSD, DMT, salvia, peyote, etc...

I personally enjoy lucid dreams more than any drug because a lucid state is so much more real than most drug hallucinations/ trances. You can delve into your own mind.

what is a psychedelic trip?

A psychedelic trip is when you get high on a psychoactive drug, like LSD or magic mushrooms.

Not psychoactive, psychadelic. There's a HUGE difference.

For definition I'd say a psychadelic experience, an experience brought on by the use of a psychadelic drug, such as psilocybin, LSD, Salvia Divinorum, LSA, or DMT.

I've never tried any psychedelic drug IRL, but while dreaming I've taken mushrooms and LSD. (Check out my thread below this one for some interesting thoughts about dream drugs).

I remember one experience (non-lucid), where I took some LSD and then sat at my computer and waited for it to kick in. Then suddenly out of the blue a buzzing, vibrating state of mind kicked me hard in the face everything started moving and becoming more vivid in colour. The experience was so overwhealming that I woke up shortly there after.

I wonder what actually happens in the brain when you take a drug in a dream. Somehow the brain is stimulated even though there is no chemical involved. Weird...

It's probably mainly expectations, since they play such a large part in such things with the dreaming mind.

Originally Posted by Supernova

Not psychoactive, psychadelic. There's a HUGE difference.

For definition I'd say a psychadelic experience, an experience brought on by the use of a psychadelic drug, such as psilocybin, LSD, Salvia Divinorum, LSA, or DMT.

Not a huge difference. Definition of psychoactive from Merriam Websters Dictionary: affecting the mind or behavior (psychoactive drugs). Do psychedelics not affect the mind or behavior?

Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom

Not a huge difference. Definition of psychoactive from Merriam Websters Dictionary: affecting the mind or behavior (psychoactive drugs). Do psychedelics not affect the mind or behavior?

Psychoactive includes a much, much broader range of drugs. You have the small group that is psychadelics, whereas psychoactive would encompass most everything on erowid's big list, everything from things milderineffect than caffeine, to say. DMT...clearly quite a large difference. It's like the thig with squares and rectangles. Psychadelics certainly are psychoactives, but most psychoactives are not psychadelics.

Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom

Which one do you think is more exciting, a lucid dream or a psychedelic trip, and why? Can be any kind of drug trip, ex: magic mushroom, LSD, DMT, salvia, peyote, etc...

I personally enjoy lucid dreams more than any drug because a lucid state is so much more real than most drug hallucinations/ trances. You can delve into your own mind.

I've done my fair share of psychedelics and had many lucid dreams. To be completely fair...I'd have to compare my most exciting drug trip with my most exciting lucid dream.

I'd have to say lucid dream wins.

If you think about it...it's like comparing really trippy intense Hynogagic Hallucinations and Lucid Dreaming. Which is more exciting?

Originally Posted by Aquanina

I've done my fair share of psychedelics and had many lucid dreams. To be completely fair...I'd have to compare my most exciting drug trip with my most exciting lucid dream.

I'd have to say lucid dream wins.

If you think about it...it's like comparing really trippy intense Hynogagic Hallucinations and Lucid Dreaming. Which is more exciting?

I agree. What could possibly be trippier than being in your own reality where you can change anything? All my lucid dreams trump my most intense psychedelic journeys.

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Well, it's sort of an apples-to-oranges comparison if you ask me. Lucid dreams are about going on adventures, and doing stuff you can't normally do... With psychedelics, it's more like your perceptions are expanded, and you can feel and sense things you couldn't before. It's very hard to describe but due to my limited experiences with lucid dreaming I suppose I'll go with psychedelics (until I can start having some major LDs).

Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom

Which one do you think is more exciting, a lucid dream or a psychedelic trip, and why?

That's like comparing apples and oranges. Regarding the mere matter of excitement, psychedelic trips are probably more arousing, because they are hard to control if at all. Eat some belladonna (don't!), then you'll know what I mean.

Apart from that half of the substances you mentioned aren't even psychedelics.

Care to cite some examples? I haven't seen a single non-psychadelic drug mentioned. Except belladonna, that is. Deleriant, poison

Originally Posted by Planewalker

That's like comparing apples and oranges. Regarding the mere matter of excitement, psychedelic trips are probably more arousing, because they are hard to control if at all. Eat some belladonna (don't!), then you'll know what I mean.

Apart from that half of the substances you mentioned aren't even psychedelics.

Every drug I have mentioned so far is a psychedelic, my friend. Belladonna certainly is not.

Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom

Every drug I have mentioned so far is a psychedelic, my friend. Belladonna certainly is not.

DMT, Sage and Peyote do not belong in that category.

List of Psychedelic Drugs

Serotonergic psychedelics (serotonin 5-HT2A receptor agonists)
This class of psychedelics includes the major hallucinogens, including the ergolines like LSD and LSA, tryptamine-based compounds like psilocybin and DMT, and phenethylamine-based compounds like mescaline and 2C-B.

Empathogen-entactogens (serotonin releasers)
The empathogen-entactogens are phenethylamines such as MDMA (Ecstasy), MDA, and MDEA, among others.

Cannabinoids (CB-1 cannabinoid receptor agonists)
The cannabinoid tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and related compounds are capable of activating the brain's endocannabinoid system.

Salvia divinorum is an atypical psychedelic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_drug

A psychedelic substance is a psychoactive drug whose primary action is to alter the cognition and perception of the mind. Psychedelics are part of a wider class of psychoactive drugs known as hallucinogens, which also includes related substances such as dissociatives and deliriants. Unlike other drugs such as stimulants and opioids which induce familiar states of consciousness, psychedelics tend to bend and twist the mind in ways that result in the experience being qualitatively different from those of ordinary consciousness. The psychedelic experience is often compared to non-ordinary forms of consciousness such as trance, meditation, yoga, and dreaming.

Many pharmacologists define psychedelic drugs solely as chemicals that have an LSD- or mescaline-like action, working on the serotonin 5-HT2A receptor in the brain. Some people have applied the term psychedelic to other hallucinogens including dissociative NMDA receptor antagonists such as phencyclidine, dextromethorphan, and ketamine, tropane deliriants such as atropine, and other psychoactives such as Amanita muscaria, cannabis (to some extent), Salvia divinorum.

Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom

Which one do you think is more exciting, a lucid dream or a psychedelic trip, and why? .

Tough question, I would say as far as excitment goes there about equal but dreaming is way more important to me and has value beyond just fun and excitment.

Ive also found that having an awakening can be way more exciting. The visuals are better and the sensual experience is also beter than any drug Ive ever done. (I'm guessing that this is what taosaur is refering to as samadhi)

Don't get me wrong, I dont realy do alot of drugs any more, "getting older" Just alcohol and maby a doobie or two on the weekend while working (musician) Too many peoply there I know who have it.

Besides drugs interfere with my dreaming too much.

Ever dream of taking a psychedelic? Ever take a psychedelic in a dream? Ever trip on a psychedelic and think your dreaming? Food for thought haha.

Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom

Ever dream of taking a psychedelic? Ever take a psychedelic in a dream? Ever trip on a psychedelic and think your dreaming? Food for thought haha.

The only time I've ever tripped on a psychedelic and thought you were dreaming was when I first smoked pot (dank) and I legitimately thought I was in a dream. It was even trippier because I was outside at night. I've also achieved the same effect with shrooms.. but I fell asleep mid-trip so that kind of ruined it..

And in my dreams, I've done every drug I have done in real life, at least 4 times over. Fun stuff

I like lucid dreams just because you can do anything. If you jump off a roof in a lucid dream, you fly away, doing that on acid has caused the death of many hippies.

I find them both fun, in very different ways. I find philosophy and engineering fascinating while hallucinating, and the colours and sounds of a drug trip are so much fun. But for safety and lucid sex, and flying, LD > LSD.

I haven't tried many drugs in my life. The most intense i did was a legal substance which is said to be just like marijuana, only stronger and involves closed-eye hallucinations.
It was great and everything: Every time i closed my eyes there were these incredibly complex patterns (really, you can't understand how complex and precise they were) and it was constantly zooming out of it, revealing that those were only a small part of something bigger, and it kept going on. Music was strange, if i focused on it, i was able to slow it down somehow.
Anyway, it was great, but didn't get even close to my LDs, which aren't even that long for me yet (i'm kind of a beginner).
I didn't try LSD or anything like that, but from my personal experience, Lucid Dreaming is the best. And i hope i'll be able to get the maximum out of it.

Originally Posted by Xegar

I haven't tried many drugs in my life. The most intense i did was a legal substance which is said to be just like marijuana, only stronger and involves closed-eye hallucinations.
It was great and everything: Every time i closed my eyes there were these incredibly complex patterns (really, you can't understand how complex and precise they were) and it was constantly zooming out of it, revealing that those were only a small part of something bigger, and it kept going on. Music was strange, if i focused on it, i was able to slow it down somehow.
Anyway, it was great, but didn't get even close to my LDs, which aren't even that long for me yet (i'm kind of a beginner).
I didn't try LSD or anything like that, but from my personal experience, Lucid Dreaming is the best. And i hope i'll be able to get the maximum out of it.

Sounds like salvia maybe?

Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom

Sounds like salvia maybe?

No, i haven't tried salvia. It's something you can buy in a grocery store. I don't want to say it because i don't want people to go buy it and overdose themselves or something. (Not like they could eat it that easily )